Shawnee
member
Hi Y'All...
Obviously there are a lot of lads here who have an interest in concealed weapons carry, permits, use, etc. and that raises (for me) a question or two that I've withheld for a bit because I don't want anyone to think I am criticizing them.
Back when all the states were first coming out with "concealed weapons permits" and "carry permits" I did a fair amount of looking into them because I was a Hunter Safety instructor, and NRA instructor, and a shooting competitor and thus received lots of questions about them. My experience was/is in Ohio, Texas and Florida.
From what I could see (and it has been 15 years or so), the states were making the rules and definitions governing the permits (and of use of deadly force) so restrictive that having a permit often allowed the person to do nothing with a carry permit that they weren't already allowed to do without a permit - or at least nothing very worth doing. In fact, the degree of complication intentionally put into the permit rules appeared to actually increase the law-abiding citizen's jeopardy if they exercised their 2nd Amendment rights.
Thus my shade-tree analysis of the government's "carry permit" schemes was/is that they are nothing at all more than a backhanded way to accomplish Gun Registration and increase the government's harrassment of firearm afficionados.
Maybe things have changed and some states' permits actually provide the permit holder with additional legal options that actually have some value. But, in Ohio at least, it appears the gun and carry laws are nothing except Gun Registration and Increased Jeopardy. In fact, the language of the Ohio Law appears to deny the right to bear arms is a right because they are very assertive about repeatedly describing it as a privilege.
Two of the more disturbing things about Ohio law are:
1. Any use of your firearm removes the "innocent until proven guilty" protection from you and you are, by Ohio law, guilty until you prove yourself innocent. I don't know how that can even be seen as Constitutional but it is still the law here.
2. Unlike many states (even Florida which is just California-East), Ohio Law loudly proclaims that you, the person being attacked, have little to no right to use "deadly force" in self defense and have every obligation to flee a confrontation (even in your own home!) if at all possible or be charged with a felony. - and, again, the burden of proof, in Ohio, falls upon you and you are required to prove your innocence rather than a prosecutor having to prove your guilt. While the state of Ohio includes govo-jargon in the law to make it sound like they aren't denying or drastically diminishing your right to self-defense - a close reading of the law will show otherwise.
Does anyone know of a state where the carry permit really provides an actual benefit? Of course, there may be states where the 2nd Amendment has been totally trashed so the state could then "give" you some of those rights back if you register via a "carry permit" - but that doesn't really amount to "additional" rights OR privileges.
Anyone???
Thanks All!
Obviously there are a lot of lads here who have an interest in concealed weapons carry, permits, use, etc. and that raises (for me) a question or two that I've withheld for a bit because I don't want anyone to think I am criticizing them.
Back when all the states were first coming out with "concealed weapons permits" and "carry permits" I did a fair amount of looking into them because I was a Hunter Safety instructor, and NRA instructor, and a shooting competitor and thus received lots of questions about them. My experience was/is in Ohio, Texas and Florida.
From what I could see (and it has been 15 years or so), the states were making the rules and definitions governing the permits (and of use of deadly force) so restrictive that having a permit often allowed the person to do nothing with a carry permit that they weren't already allowed to do without a permit - or at least nothing very worth doing. In fact, the degree of complication intentionally put into the permit rules appeared to actually increase the law-abiding citizen's jeopardy if they exercised their 2nd Amendment rights.
Thus my shade-tree analysis of the government's "carry permit" schemes was/is that they are nothing at all more than a backhanded way to accomplish Gun Registration and increase the government's harrassment of firearm afficionados.
Maybe things have changed and some states' permits actually provide the permit holder with additional legal options that actually have some value. But, in Ohio at least, it appears the gun and carry laws are nothing except Gun Registration and Increased Jeopardy. In fact, the language of the Ohio Law appears to deny the right to bear arms is a right because they are very assertive about repeatedly describing it as a privilege.
Two of the more disturbing things about Ohio law are:
1. Any use of your firearm removes the "innocent until proven guilty" protection from you and you are, by Ohio law, guilty until you prove yourself innocent. I don't know how that can even be seen as Constitutional but it is still the law here.
2. Unlike many states (even Florida which is just California-East), Ohio Law loudly proclaims that you, the person being attacked, have little to no right to use "deadly force" in self defense and have every obligation to flee a confrontation (even in your own home!) if at all possible or be charged with a felony. - and, again, the burden of proof, in Ohio, falls upon you and you are required to prove your innocence rather than a prosecutor having to prove your guilt. While the state of Ohio includes govo-jargon in the law to make it sound like they aren't denying or drastically diminishing your right to self-defense - a close reading of the law will show otherwise.
Does anyone know of a state where the carry permit really provides an actual benefit? Of course, there may be states where the 2nd Amendment has been totally trashed so the state could then "give" you some of those rights back if you register via a "carry permit" - but that doesn't really amount to "additional" rights OR privileges.
Anyone???
Thanks All!
