CBS2 Exclusive: ATF To Join NYPD In Fighting New York City Gun Crimes

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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/06/15/cbs2-exclusive-atf-gun-crime/

Now in an unprecedented move, a federal agency is joining the effort to get gun crimes under control, CBS2’s Marcia Kramer reported Monday.

Kramer is told it was a collective decision made by the federal government, the NYPD, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Those agencies are mounting a first-ever anti-gun initiative in high-crime areas.

“There’s going to be an increase in federal arrests – no doubt,” said AFT agent Charles Mulham.
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This could set an ugly precedent to allow Fed control and take over anytime they "think" an area has a gun/crime problem, like after a major storm or racial incident................ Not sure I like this move.
 
"This could set an ugly precedent to allow Fed control and take over anytime they "think" an area has a gun/crime problem, like after a major storm or racial incident................ Not sure I like this move."

It's been quite apparent for about a year, now. Just trying to get us accustomed to a federal 'police' presence in the urban areas, preferably militarized/exercising a show of force. Such a monster has been the dream of a segment of our populace since the Revolution. Probably the same folks who think jury trials are overrated. Probably the folks who naively think they'll be the ones holding the leash.

Safety, equality, tyranny -- "the greater good."

TCB
 
If the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms isn't supposed to crack down on people breaking federal firearms laws, who is?

We've been saying "we don't need new gun laws, just enforce the ones we have" forever. Well, that's what they're doing - and it's about time.

If the scheme works, that's less criminals with guns. If it fails, it shows how ineffective gun laws are. Seems to be win-win.

Besdes, IIRC, it wasn't the feds that seized guns during Katrina.
 
It appears to be an opening salvo in the nationalization of police forces.

If it has been the purview of the ATF to handle and halt all this "gun violence," where have they been for the last ump-t-ump years? It looks to me like they've been biding their time waiting for the appearance that "gun violence" has gotten out of hand, and waiting for the rhetoric to peak. Couple this with the attempt at stifling "gun speak" and you have quite the recipe for stripping us of our arms and our ability to communicate. Divide and conquer. Silence and overwhelm.

Woody

"Knowing the past, I'll not surrender any arms and march less prepared into the future." B.E. Wood
 
Haha....

A police force with a what? A roughly 6 billion dollar budget, 30,000+ members, multi-state counter-terrorism taskforce, Stasi like camera system and not to mention being in a state with probably some of the most oppresive and draconian gun laws in the US....and that's just NYC.

Can't handle a couple shootings and have to call in the ATF?

Something doesn't add up
 
"Can't handle a couple shootings and have to call in the ATF?

Something doesn't add up"

Man, it must be tough times in NYC when they have to enlist federal assistance in getting criminal front business set up in town. Ten bucks says this whole deal is about getting a bunch of (ultimately sketchy) sting operations rockin', without ol' DeBlasio having to get tough with 'his' people. It'll be the Fed's fault that stop 'n frisk and entrapment tactics are brought down, but hey, someone's gotta keep order now that the proles are restless.

TCB
 
I've heard that the relaxing of stop and frisk may be one of the reasons gun crimes are up...even though stop and frisk has been proven time and time again to be largely unsuccesful. Last I read 90% of the peasents frisked were clean, not a pitchfork or torch to be found. That leaves the other 10% of the friskees were dirty. Of that 10% I bet most of them had drugs or drug paraphenilia or......untaxed smokes, the worst offenders.

Also the police feel slighted because the mayors comments from last year and are clocking in but aren't working. But that has little to do with it IMO, I stopped believing that police fight and thwart crime when I was like 5 years old.

Perhaps the fact that the weather has changed a few months ago may have something to do with it. But I'm not one of those genius grantees that study these matters and I shouldn't speak of things my piddly mind can't comprehend.
 
ConstitutionCowboy said:
It appears to be an opening salvo in the nationalization of police forces.

If it has been the purview of the ATF to handle and halt all this "gun violence," where have they been for the last ump-t-ump years? It looks to me like they've been biding their time waiting for the appearance that "gun violence" has gotten out of hand, and waiting for the rhetoric to peak. Couple this with the attempt at stifling "gun speak" and you have quite the recipe for stripping us of our arms and our ability to communicate. Divide and conquer. Silence and overwhelm.

Woody

"Knowing the past, I'll not surrender any arms and march less prepared into the future." B.E. Wood
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Reading this prompted a thought (ok, maybe paranoia, but you know the old line about that) to arise in my head to the effect that the PTB encouraged the violent "protests" and anti-cop sentiments precisely in order to be able to move further toward federalization. I hope I'm wrong.
 
IMO, this has nothing to do with shootings.

The BATFE has been saying for a while now that straw purchases are the most common method for criminals to illegally obtain firearms. Straw purchasing (from FFL's, at least) is a federal crime.

The NYPD has personnel resources that the BATFE can only dream of. No doubt they (NYPD) will be doing quite a bit of legwork in exchange for an increased amount of federal weapons prosecutions that the BATFE would otherwise not have the resources to pursue on their own. It's also very likely that the BATFE will be going after NY's "gun enemy number one" - people who straw purchase firearms in neighboring states.

Straw purchases are also what the anti-gun movement points to as proof that current gun laws are too lax and don't do enough to prevent criminals from obtaining firearms "legally".
 
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Propaganda. "Unprecedented?" They cooperate all the time - and probably don't cooperate even more.

It's a publicized truce to make it look like they actually will try to cut down on straw purchases. Maybe even cut into the tons of stolen guns shipped in for resale. Somebody isn't getting their cut and palms need to be greased, it's one way to force their hand.

Nothing happens on the East Coast without bribery. It's third world level with a veneer of respectability. If you need examples start paying attention to the Sandy cleanup, which has been dragged out now for two years with about 50% done. It's becoming another NOLA ward.

It's not about guns or even politics, it's about who isn't getting paid off. It will all blow over with few arrests and maybe another ATF black eye.
 
The Feds have been cooperating with the NYPD forever. DEA is all over NYC, and with a good reason. They can charge federal law which has more severe penalties, including lots of ways to have you forfeit funds, houses, vehicles, etc. from criminal proceeds. They do joint task forces and often split the forfeiture money.

Nothing new about BATF cooperation either. They show up at bombings, and were probably involved with Bloomberg's southern gun sale hunts.

NYS Criminal Procedure Law lists who are state peace officers, and all federal peace officers are included, i.e., feds can enforce NYS laws also. They've been in the books forever.

No matter the press release, this is no big deal or anything new. You can take the tin hats back off, the black helicopters with UN troops haven't landed. :D
 
Seeing as the ATF is merely a tax enforcement body, it is entirely possible this is all just about bootleg cigarettes...

TCB
 
Gee whiz, with so many tough gun laws, how could they possibly need the ATF to tackle gun crimes? Maybe because criminals don't follow laws? Hmm?
 
No, it's because there has been a soft police strike ever since Blasio made it very disadvantageous to be a diligent police officer, in his failure to make it impossible to be an abusive police officer (it's not that fine a line to anyone but an abusive police officer, but he completely overshot the mark with his commentary & etc.). Now that the cat's away, the mice will play, and burn the city to the ground. So DeBlasio is going over their heads, and saying "Uncle (Sam)," begging the feds for assistance in order to restore order.

Since they've stuck it out this long, I fully expect the police to win this waiting game, but not before DeBlasio does something stupid like call in the National Guard for basic law enforcement functions, or try to fire everyone.

TCB
 
Maybe a bit of perspective is in order here.... I can actually remember when the talk of the day was about carjackings (remember them - back in the possibly first Clinton era?). The result of all the posturing was a commitment by the Feds to go after what was essentially a local crime - complete with new federal legislation to "go after" things that were already pretty fairly prohibited - robbery, kidnapping, murder,etc.

The final result was that all of it kind of subsided after the initial furor and I can't remember the last time a carjacking received the huge media attention that was ongoing all those years ago.... Maybe it was just 9-11 or just a change in the folks running things but after that experience (I was in law enforcement at the time...) my concern over pretty much political posturing has been greatly diminished. Yes, everyone concerned about infringement of their 2A rights should keep a close eye - but I'm betting the only way this will go anywhere is for the current folks in Washington to win again in 2016....
 
DHJenkins said:
If the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms isn't supposed to crack down on people breaking federal firearms laws, who is?

We've been saying "we don't need new gun laws, just enforce the ones we have" forever. Well, that's what they're doing - and it's about time.

If the scheme works, that's less criminals with guns. If it fails, it shows how ineffective gun laws are. Seems to be win-win.

Besdes, IIRC, it wasn't the feds that seized guns during Katrina.
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But the things is, we damn them if they do and damn them if they don't. ;)
 
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