Shotguns among most popular weapons for criminals in New York City

[chieftain]

Please note, the Paper placed a picture of a Marlin model 60 22cal rifle, and captioned it with the theme of the story about shotguns.

I want Bloomberg to define an illegal gun. In most cases they are only illegal in New York City. He (New York City) makes them illegal, not federal or state law.

I enjoyed the last part. Where the Feds state that most of the weapons being used are old/older, not new guns. I wonder where Bloomberg thinks all the new "illegal" guns are kept until they have been aged?

What a Putz.

Go figure.

Fred

The New York Daily News:

Shotguns among most popular weapons for criminals in New York City

BY ALISON GENDAR
DAILY NEWS POLICE BUREAU CHIEF

Thursday, February 28th 2008, 4:00 AM

{there is a picture of a model 60 Marlin 22 rifle}

Mahon for News
For the first time in seven years, shotguns are among the most popular weapons of criminals in New York City.{this is the caption of the photo}

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Shotguns are no longer just for farmers.

For the first time in seven years, shotguns are among the most popular weapons of criminals in New York City.

Federal data show that 394 shotguns were seized from thugs in the city last year - making the weapon the fourth most popular gun among criminals.

Handguns are still city criminals' favored weapon, said Michael Sullivan, acting director of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Some 3,260 of the 5,913 firearms taken from city crooks were semiautomatic pistols. Revolvers were second on the list of seized guns with 1,637 traced by the feds, Sullivan said.

Unlike handguns, shotguns can be bought legally in counties just outside the city without a permit or an extensive background check. They also typically sell for $200 or less, authorities said.

The total number of guns seized across the city in 2007 fell 16% from the previous year, but was roughly the same as 2003 and 2004, authorities said.

"There were over 1,100 fewer guns found on city streets in 2007 compared to 2006 - that's more than 1,100 fewer chances for gun violence to harm innocent New Yorkers," said Mayor Bloomberg. "It is an impressive figure that complements the fact that in 2007, the city experienced the fewest number of murders since records started being kept more than 40 years ago."

Gun arrests made by the NYPD also fell 5.8% last year, to 3,551 from 3,772 in 2006.

The so-called "iron pipeline" - the route traffickers use to smuggle guns into the city from southern states - was still bustling however. About 87% of guns seized in the city were traced to other states, Sullivan said.

Bloomberg has been crusading for tougher federal gun laws to prevent weapons from being smuggled into the city.

Federal authorities noted that guns used in crimes throughout New York City increasingly tend to be older weapons.

The average time between when a weapon was legitimately sold to when it was used to commit a crime last year was 13 years. That's up from 9.4 years in 2002, which authorities say is a sign that they are dismantling some gun trafficking operations.

For those with the compulsion to have a URL reference: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...ltr_ct=1&nltr_id=No. 4 with bullet - shotguns

 

[hnk45acp]

I feel safer already

 

[Zoogster]

Well of course, handguns are banned in the city, so the guns a good portion of the street criminal steals from law abiding citizens are going to be long arms.

Banning handguns often results in criminals taking the simpliest route for a new concealed weapon. Sometimes that is to get handguns elsewhere, but if getting long arms localy (stealing) and converting them is easier many will do that.

So by criminalizing handguns, removing junk handguns, and otherwise passing foolish legislation a criminal is more likely to have a sawn off shotgun in a violent crime than a cheap affordable .22 Bryco or Jennings that jams on them every few shots.

Legislators can be so naive.

If only we could go back to the days when junk handguns were everywhere, and criminals thought the Tech 9 was the ideal gun to aspire to one day own.

Instead "saturday night specials" are banned, and the piece of junk Tech 9 is an illegal assault weapon many places, and many of them are prohibited persons and denied via NICs. That means that rather than going to thier local store and getting total junk that does not cost too much and does not interfere with thier party/ drug use budget leaving many good guys with an advantage, they steal quality firearms, or only thier girlfriends, family members, or co criminals without records can purchase quality firearms for them rather than the cheapest junk available.

Thank you legislators! We are all so much safer now.

 

[Greell]

wow, what an epic fail. can't even enter in a picture of a shotgun? they can't tell the difference apparently...as long as it LOOKS GOOD, to the viewers, thats all the media is concerned with.

 

[The Deer Hunter]

I want a sandwich.



Shouldn't they just call to make guns illegal with the hopes that criminals will follow the laws. I'm really sick of the people who want to try to make "compromises" with the 2nd by putting heavy restrictions on firearms. Obviously it bothers me for the fact that they want to infringe our rights but that they make it seem like its in our best interest. "Oh look, its good for you and your fellow neighbor"...You know, that kind of crap.

I actually wish they would be more straight forward and tell everyone that they actually don't want guns at all.

 

[NG VI]

but it's a G-U-N! what difference does it make? isn't a marlin a type of shotgun? my head hurts from all this guntalk!

 

[hnk45acp]

Well of course, handguns are banned in the city

Handgun are not banned in NYC but it's a PITA to get one

 

[Zoogster]

Well technicaly various firearms are hardly ever banned, they are just restricted to a point outside the willingness or means of the average citizen.

I mean technicaly everything is still legal in Australia, they just have different catagories of arms, with each one more difficult than the last to qualify for.
It is in fact a defacto ban for many of the catagories, but since they are not really technicaly "banned", I guess they are a free people?

Firearms of various types are not usualy "banned" throughout most of the world that is heavily restrictive in fact. They are just restricted to the extent that few private citizens legaly have them, or can qualify for them, or try to legal do so.

 

[Harvster]

There were over 1,100 fewer guns found on city streets in 2007 compared to 2006 - that's more than 1,100 fewer chances for gun violence to harm innocent New Yorkers," said Mayor Bloomberg

How can they say that they found 1100 fewer guns and therefore that is 1100 less on the street? Maybe they just found less and there is actually more on the street than last year.

 

[Regolith]

How can they say that they found 1100 fewer guns and therefore that is 1100 less on the street?

Because they do not have possession of something known as logic?

 

[DENALI]

The reference to older guns is to help maintain the illusion that gun control works and the BG's can only use the ones we so stupidly didn't ban the first go-round.........

 

[elrod]

It would have been intresting had they noted how many of these shotguns had been altered to illegal lengths. I'd bet a hot cup almost all had been rendered concealable for day to day use. These numbnuts just can't understand that the criminal element will be armed in some fashion. After they legislate all firearms out of our hands, will it be knives next, as is being considered overseas? Then broken bottles, brickbats, etc.?
As wealthy as Bloomberg is reported to be, he should buy himself an island, bar all weapons of all types, and happily live his life out in total security! (I can dream, can't I?)

 

[PercyShelley]

Wait, auto pistols are #1, and revolvers #2, what's in the #3 spot?

And did shotguns actually move up into the #4 spot, or is this a non-story?

 

[vzenmn]

The average time between when a weapon was legitimately sold to when it was used to commit a crime last year was 13 years. That's up from 9.4 years in 2002, which authorities say is a sign that they are dismantling some gun trafficking operations.

The most idiotic paragraph in the whole article. Whoever came up with that is a freaking moron.

 

[Zoogster]

As wealthy as Bloomberg is reported to be, he should buy himself an island, bar all weapons of all types, and happily live his life out in total security!

Where only he and his close trusted bodyguards/personel police loyal to his crown are legaly armed, you know, on the side of the law.

Wait they already have tried that many places! It is called a dictatorship or a monarchy!

Don't forget the reason for the 2nd is not to defend against criminal thugs usualy selfishly commiting violence to support drug habits, but to allow you to defend against criminals that attempt to restrict your freedoms and liberties including many expressely mentioned under the Constitution, and those who enforce thier edicts.
Defending against thugs is just a normal human right. Defending against tyrants is a constitutional right.

 

[hnk45acp]

Quote:
The average time between when a weapon was legitimately sold to when it was used to commit a crime last year was 13 years. That's up from 9.4 years in 2002, which authorities say is a sign that they are dismantling some gun trafficking operations.


The most idiotic paragraph in the whole article. Whoever came up with that is a freaking moron.

heh it takes those pesky gun traffickers about 13 years to get up to NYC from Virginia. Are they taking the long way around? So let's see how his gun stings affect us in 2020

 

[MilsurpShooter]

shotguns can be bought legally in counties just outside the city without a permit or an extensive background check

I call BS on the extensive background check portion. I know buying a handgun or buying a rifle, clerk at the gun store calls the exact same number. Don't know about exact same paperwork however

 

[Prince Yamato]

Shotguns are no longer just for farmers.

Well I'll be damned... I bet the military and law enforcement would like to know this so they could finally get their hands on some Mossberg 500s!

 

[Defensory]

With Republicans like Bloomberg, who needs Democrats?

 

[fletcher]

Whoops, two windows open and replied to wrong thread



Also goes to show that if you ban one weapon, they'll just find another, and another, and another...

 

[Harley Quinn]

This article should have been FYI in regards to why it was written, you know federal data etc..
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Shotguns are no longer just for farmers.

For the first time in seven years, shotguns are among the most popular weapons of criminals in New York City.

Federal data show that 394 shotguns were seized from thugs in the city last year - making the weapon the fourth most popular gun among criminals.

Handguns are still city criminals' favored weapon, said Michael Sullivan, acting director of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Some 3,260 of the 5,913 firearms taken from city crooks were semiautomatic pistols. Revolvers were second on the list of seized guns with 1,637 traced by the feds, Sullivan said.

Unlike handguns, shotguns can be bought legally in counties just outside the city without a permit or an extensive background check. They also typically sell for $200 or less, authorities said.

The total number of guns seized across the city in 2007 fell 16% from the previous year, but was roughly the same as 2003 and 2004, authorities said.

"There were over 1,100 fewer guns found on city streets in 2007 compared to 2006 - that's more than 1,100 fewer chances for gun violence to harm innocent New Yorkers," said Mayor Bloomberg. "It is an impressive figure that complements the fact that in 2007, the city experienced the fewest number of murders since records started being kept more than 40 years ago."

Gun arrests made by the NYPD also fell 5.8% last year, to 3,551 from 3,772 in 2006.

The so-called "iron pipeline" - the route traffickers use to smuggle guns into the city from southern states - was still bustling however. About 87% of guns seized in the city were traced to other states, Sullivan said.

Bloomberg has been crusading for tougher federal gun laws to prevent weapons from being smuggled into the city.

Federal authorities noted that guns used in crimes throughout New York City increasingly tend to be older weapons.

The average time between when a weapon was legitimately sold to when it was used to commit a crime last year was 13 years. That's up from 9.4 years in 2002, which authorities say is a sign that they are dismantling some gun trafficking operations.

For those with the compulsion to have a URL reference:

http://www.nydailynews
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But as usual this particular group who comment on these things don't seem to understand that

 

[TX1911fan]

My question is this: what else is there in the list of weapons? Pistols were number one, revolvers number two, shotguns number four. I guess you could put clubs, knives, fists, other items up there, but it seems to me that if you have 6 major categories of weapons, a 4th place finish for shotguns is not bad. The 6 seem to me to be pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns, knives and clubs. So where is the news? Stupid story.

 

[LexusNexus]

Well. you know there's only really one solution in the mind of "common sense gun control".... ban all guns.

 

[clemsonu0219]

$200 or under in New York well...

 

[Standing Wolf]

I want Bloomberg to define an illegal gun. In most cases they are only illegal in New York City. He (New York City) makes them illegal, not federal or state law.

Out of control elected misrepresentatives from coast to coast are doing the leftist extremists' dirty work by banning various types of guns.

A gun is a gun is a gun. A criminal is a criminal is a criminal. Those of us who take the nation's civil rights seriously need to draw these obvious distinctions.