CCW holder shoots off-duty cop (brother-in-law)

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It came out today that the shooter has his CCW.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/15135654.htm
The anti-gun folks are going to be all over this one. It's unfortunate that alcohol was involved although it has not come out yet if the shooter had anything to drink. It also came out that the off-duty cop has received a 90 day suspension and domestic violence problems in the past.
New Franklin is near Akron, OH
mp3 recording of the 911 call.
http://www.ohiomm.com/MP3/news/911_calls/Carlson911.mp3

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NEW FRANKLIN - An off-duty Akron police detective was fatally shot by his brother-in-law at a family gathering Wednesday night after the detective apparently ignited the violence by hitting his wife and attempting to choke her, according to tape recordings of the 911 calls.

The 911 calls were made to the New Franklin Police Department shortly before 9:30 p.m. by the detective's sister, Jenny Carlson, who initially told the dispatcher: ``My brother is very drunk and hitting his wife.''

Shouting was heard in the background, and after a minute or so, according to the tape, Carlson told the dispatcher: ``Someone needs to come and get him because he is too drunk.''

She then informed the dispatcher that her brother had his wife ``in a headlock'' and that she apparently was having trouble breathing.

Moments later, other voices were heard on the tape as the violence escalated.

Then the crack of several gunshots could be heard, and the dispatcher was disconnected seconds later.

The Summit County Medical Examiner's Office identified the off-duty detective as Michael S. Beitko, 41, of Cliffside Drive in Akron.

Beitko was treated at the scene by a person at the family gathering and taken to Akron General Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead at 10:07 p.m., New Franklin detective Sgt. Michael Korach said today.

Korach said Beitko was hit by ``multiple gunshots'' from a ``large-caliber'' revolver, but declined to further identify the weapon.

The victim's brother-in-law, Jacob A. Carlson, 32, of 87 Clement Ave., New Franklin, was being held in the Summit County Jail on a murder charge, Korach said.

At Carlson's initial court appearance this afternoon, Barberton Municipal Judge Greg Macko set a $250,000 cash bond. Carlson didn't enter any plea. Another hearing was set for 1 p.m. Wednesday.

According to the tape of the 911 call, the shooting occurred just seconds after Jacob Carlson apparently shouted a warning to Beitko, saying: ``Let go of her... or I'll kill you!''

It was not clear on the tape -- at that point -- who had been in the man's grasp.

Korach said alcohol was involved at the Clement Avenue gathering and that Beitko was unarmed when he was shot outside in the driveway of the neatly kept family home.

``Alcohol appeared to be a factor for all parties involved,'' the detective said.

The 911 call by Jenny Carlson, Korach said, was to report a domestic violence incident. The incident escalated in a ``rather short time,'' Korach said. He declined to comment about any additional details of the incident.

Akron police said Beitko had been with the department for 14 years and became a detective in 2001.

He leaves his wife, Sue, and four daughters, ages 2 to 8.

Korach said six children were at the family gathering, but no injuries were reported.

An autopsy will be conducted today.
 
From the report, I find that he deserved it. Any man willing to assault a woman like that deserves what he gets.

From what I heard from the tape, and the news article, his family is perhaps better off without him.
 
This incident sounds like a real shame all around. It also sounds like it may have been a situation in which it would have been more appropriate to use the butt of the gun rather than the barrel.
 
The 911 calls were made to the New Franklin Police Department shortly before 9:30 p.m. by the detective's sister, Jenny Carlson, who initially told the dispatcher: ``My brother is very drunk and hitting his wife.''

Shouting was heard in the background, and after a minute or so, according to the tape, Carlson told the dispatcher: ``Someone needs to come and get him because he is too drunk.''

She then informed the dispatcher that her brother had his wife ``in a headlock'' and that she apparently was having trouble breathing.

I wasn't there, but that sounds like a life threatening situation for the woman being strangled.
 
I take it the shooter was the brother of the woman being assaulted?

The article is a little sparse on details, but it seems to me that a man probably stopped his sister from getting killed by an out-of-control drunken husband. It was apparently a serious enough assault to have called the police for help; and it was clear that the police were not going to get there in time to prevent further injury or death.

After hearing the end of that 911 call (quite disturbing, btw), I'd guess that this was easily a justifiable shot.
 
Huh.

God I hope that permitholder wasn't too drunk to drive at least. Assuming that's covered, this really sounds like a clean shoot.
 
This incident sounds like a real shame all around. It also sounds like it may have been a situation in which it would have been more appropriate to use the butt of the gun rather than the barrel.

Perhaps, but did you listen to the 911 call? The dead cop's sister described him as 250-300 pounds. By the sound of his voice on the tape, he was apparently out of his mind in a blind/drunken rage, having already hit and choked his wife, and later going after his own sister. If the brother in law isn't a big man, it was probably a good idea to use the barrel end of the gun rather than the butt end.

Now, maybe one could argue that he should have tried to shoot him in the leg or something, but what I heard on the tape was scary as heck, and I'm not going to second guess the shooter in this case. Not with the information presented so far.
 
Given that this was a domestic violence related shooting between family members which took place on private property, the facts that one participant was a cop and the other was a permit holder are totally irrelevant, IMO.
 
I think it's an atrocity that this man has been charged with murder. I really hope the grand jury declines to indict him.
 
Choking other people's wives is something I would expect to get shot or at least pummeled for. The shooter is only charged with murder because the dead wife-choker happens to be a cop. If it was anyone else, I would honestly expect it to be declared self defense without the slightest controversy.

Things like this piss me off. The DA should not be giving out prosecutorial favors to coworkers who become involved in shootings. Cops have access to lawyers of their own, we dont need officials abandoning the public trust whenever their buddies have a horse in the race.

Has it been before a grand jury yet?
 
Now, maybe one could argue that he should have tried to shoot him in the leg or something, but what I heard on the tape was scary as heck, and I'm not going to second guess the shooter in this case. Not with the information presented so far.
It may have been absolutely the right thing to do. In anything other than a family situation, I would be 100% on board with shooting the jerk. But I would not want to be in the brother-in-law's position of explaining to his nieces why he blew their daddy away.
 
Good on the shooter. Were I on the GJ, and everything was as the woman who called said, I would be on this guys side.
 
I'd rather be known as the guy that shot my brother in law to save my [brother-in-law's] wife than the guy who let a drunk strangle the mother of my [brother-in-law's] children.
detective Beitko - hitting his wife and attempting to choke her
detective's sister, Jenny Carlson
victim's brother-in-law, Jacob A. Carlson
 
Not sure the media will want to touch the whole CCW thing.

This article could be used to demonstrate that the idea of "only military and police should have guns" is ludicrous. LEO and military are human, just like the rest of us, and some of them are criminally violent.

I guess allot depends on whether or not the shooting is ruled justifiable.
 
Good shoot.

The man was assaulting a woman, hitting and chokoing her. Had I seen this going on, I would have stopped and dealt with it. The fact that the shooter tried to get help first (dialed 911, for all the good it did) and tried to warn the drunk to let go of his wife, should be counted in his favor.

In a perfect world, the fact that the criminal here was a cop wouldn't matter. He was choking someone, someone else made him stop it. However, this is Ohio and all manner of liberal shenannigans goes on from time to time. Unfortunately, I think he'll be indicted.
 
wouldn't it also have been better for him to shout, "Let go of her or I'll shoot" INSTEAD OF "let go of her or... I'll kill you?"

Something to think about. A jury might say that by saying kill he showed intent to murder? Set me straight if I'm wrong.
 
In the disturbed mind of the leftist LIEberals, it would have been better for that poor woman to be choked to death, than a civilian have a firearm with which to defend her.
I hope the COs in the jail know the WHOLE story.
 
Taking the story at face value, unless something else comes to light, it was a good shoot.

If the shooter wasn't driving, I doubt that there was any requirement that he submit to a blood alcohol test.
 
Let go of her... or I'll kill you!

This statement is going to come back to haunt the shooter. It could be used to demonstrate an intent to murder rather than stop an immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death.
 
Saying " I'll kill you " is dumb. Carrying [ and using] a gun while under the influence is dumb. Both can greatly harm you in court regardless of the circumstances !!!
 
Another thing to take into consideration when looking at CCW status....

This guy was on family, private property. I am not sure about Ohio, but in Texas you can open carry or conceal as long as the homeowner does not object.

If its as it states, this is a clean shoot. In Texas, this would be fairly open/shut case.

The other fact is...if you shoot an an LEO (off duty or not), thats going to be bad juju no matter what.
 
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