Chiappa adding RFID chips to their guns

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There is a stark difference between realism and paranoia 357... but as the thread is beginning to degenerate into name calling, however WELL hidden and intellectual it is.... :rolleyes:

If you just want to be insulting, plenty of other places for it Neighbor, or you could add substantively to the conversation instead.

Mods, Time to shut this one down for a decade or so until this either expands or ceases and the battle of "I told you so" commences.
 
..how many RFID readers out there available to the general public that someone could reasonably afford that can read through a standard wall from approx 30 feet.....?
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Tech becomes inexpensive. Years ago, cell phone signal blockers were thousands of dollars. I now can get one for $29. I'm not even going to go into what evil things that can be done with this little tool.

RFID scanners with range are somewhat expensive for the low level criminal, but how long do you think it will be before it gets inexpensive and powerful enough to scan a house from the sidewalk? How about scanning a potential victim to determine whether they are armed and can fight back?

Keep in mind, this isn't even addressing the possible RKBA infringement.
 
Seriously people? Let's assume its a simple thing to read RFID tags from far away. Let's even assume there's a smartphone ap that can read RFID tags through walls from across the street. So what? Its inventory control, it'll just be a code Chiappa uses. They're not going to be publishing their database, so for a criminal to even know its a gun, they'd have to go to a gun store, scan a ton of Chiappa revolvers, do pattern analysis on them and reverse engineer what the code means. Then cruise around town in hopes of getting a hit on one. Let's say its the serial number on the RFID, again, so what? How is anyone going to know that random string of numbers and letters means gun? And even if they do, they're going to have to find that number amongst the massive sea of hits they're going to get from all the random stuff in your house with an RFID tag. This seems like a ton of work to figure out someone has a gun and go steal it. It would be way easier to say, park outside a gun store and follow customers home, or just break into houses that look nice and steal everything. This is seriously a total non-issue.
 
Irishman... RFID tags use different frequencies for each company.

That is why there are competing companies selling ID chips for your pets... if your lost pet is found by a pound that has the wrong reader, Fido's chip is worthless, and he gets adopted out, or put to sleep.

Take an above average heroin addicted Techie, he has to scan ONE gun, or even simply read the number out of one of the MANY hacker websites and boards across the world. That frequency keys to the chip for that manufacturer/classification of product

He has a string of numbers, that corresponds to a classification . They may not know what you have down to the model, but they will get a generic gun response.

People hack the ps3,the Sony networks, banks, the pentagon, congress.... a commonly owned RFID chip is likely a joke to them.

NEVER underestimate the ingenuity of someone desperate for their next fix, or just out for kicks.
 
I have to say, the amount of paranoia on gun forums worries me sometimes, and this is one of them. Wayyyyyy over the top folks.
 
Being a software developer, I know it is only a matter of time, before thugs can get their hands on RFID firearm tracking devices. You don't have to be a hotshot hacker to develop a tool that can be used by criminals. Just imagine 20 years from now, all guns have RFID chips in them. Now on the black market, there can be devices used to sense or identify RFID chips around them. THis can give a potential criminal or threat the heads-up that you have a firearm on you. In a lot of ways, it will give them the upperhand. Sure, this may not sound feasible now, but anything is possible in the future. I don't like the idea. If anyone should put a tracking device in a gun, it should be me and it should be specially encoded and encrypted so that only I have access to it.

I am sorry, but I don't want any tracking device on my gun, PERIOD!! Yes, this can be very bad..
 
I don't care much one way or the other about the chip. I would probably remove it just out of principal. My annoyance though is at the tone they take towards their presumed customer. If I'm such a nut job they don't need my money.
 
Some people seem to feel like every one is out to gain a upper hand on them. If a person can scan your gun can't they also scan your debit/credit cards. Now thats a real worry. Put aluminum foil around your cards in your wallet, now. If that chip with the push of a majic button could stop my pistol from fireing when needed then that something to worry about. Oh no, I just gave the crac pots some thing else to fear. Imbedded chips that can stop firearm from working. hehehehe
 
I think I understand - if I steal a valuable dog (that likely has a chip), all I gotta do is microwave the pooch to kill the chip and I have an untraceable, albeit slightly roasted, new pet! Technology is awesome..........
 
your peoples whole argument is that someday the technology might improve enough that its only a matter of pressing a button and a heroine addict will have an inventory of all my guns......

i guess you should also start painting your house with lead paint in case they ever invent portable x-ray vision......technology is advancing soo fast no a days.... you cant be too careful.


as for your govt mandates..........crackpot ideal like this have been proposed before.....and every time they have been shot down....

we have more pressing issues to deal with right now than what the govt MIGHT require in 20 years.
 
Anybody remember microstamping? Wasn't it Massachussets or California that mandated microstamping bullets by law as soon as the technology becomes available?
Remember "smart gun" technology that the anti's were pushing? Fingerprint recognition and the magnetic ring to enable/disable the trigge?
Stupid to mandate a technology that doesn't work yet, right?
RFID's are already in use. Nobody on the other side has figured out that they can be used to remotely ping a gun yet. It's a matter of time. All the guys saying ,"Oh, it's no big deal now," need to pick up a copy of The Art of War and read what it says about stopping a problem before it actually becomes a problem. You guys must really suck at chess.
...or you can make some more cutesy pictures of guns wrapped in aluminum foil.
 
well if thats the case....i strongly suggest you write your senators and representatives and let them know you strongly oppose any future RFID bill....

while your at it....let them know your stance on mixing uranium ore into polymer frames so guns can be found with a Geiger counter..

ammo with a 10 year shelf life....

GPS trackers in guns....

....or any other technology that might somehow be used in a gun.....

...or you can make some more cutesy pictures of guns wrapped in aluminum foil.
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you can call it cute now.....i call it an investment.... dont come begging to me for one in 20 years.....
 
hardluk1
Some people seem to feel like every one is out to gain a upper hand on them. If a person can scan your gun can't they also scan your debit/credit cards. Now thats a real worry. Put aluminum foil around your cards in your wallet, now. If that chip with the push of a majic button could stop my pistol from fireing when needed then that something to worry about. Oh no, I just gave the crac pots some thing else to fear. Imbedded chips that can stop firearm from working. hehehehe
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Got news for you. They already do sell metal wallets. If you don't want the bulk, there are sleeves that prevent RFID lifting from your credit cards. As for a gun that can be disabled remotely, they have the technology and there has been beta testing on this.

My suggestion for all those who rather ignore and make light (and I'm being kind here) of those who are concern and knowledgeable on such matters is to do a little research.

Still don't believe in the potential? Go and drill off your serial number on one of your guns and tell the ATF what you did. I'm guessing there were those back in 1968 that said "We've had serial numbers on most of our guns any way, so what's the big deal?!". The big deal is that once it becomes widely accepted by the general public AND require by law, it is almost impossible to turn the clock back.
 
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Hardluk... people are already scanning cards... They get a hold of the cheap, short-range Point of Sale units and wander around harvesting them. Haven't you seen the recent rash of aluminum hard case wallets being hyped in commercials, or the sudden stop to advertising of the Key-fob credit cards?

Mythbusters was going to do this "myth" and in their meeting with Texas Instruments, every lawyer for the major credit card companies was there to menace the Discovery channel out of even the thought. I placed that link earlier in this discussion.

Southern Rebel... you just made me spit-take my coffee. Congratulations. :)


Finally for anyone who wants to make the Govt argument about scanning peoples homes, it's already been decided that the use of an external detection device to "search" someone's home is not allowable . This use of technology was decided in Kyllo VS the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyllo_v._United_States

In the dissent, it was discussed that remotely searching someone's house without a warrant could be allowable as the technology for thermal imaging, or other methods became more commonly available to the general public.

20 years ago you could still pick up Cell phone coversations with a standard police scanner in the 900 mhz range.

Craigslist brought about the clearing of people's entire houses by another person posting to come take everything.

http://www.komonews.com/news/6888002.html

"TACOMA, Wash. - The ad on Craigslist invited people to help themselves to anything at a woman's house in Tacoma. But the woman who owns the house wasn't the one who posted the ad"

Social networks brought about the Burglar who trolls the net looking for people who post their presence away from their homes as a way to find empty targets.

http://pleaserobme.com/ (now no longer posting empty houses)

Technology evolves faster than many of us can keep abreast of. Maybe we just have a higher grade of Tweeker with all of the tech companies in the NW.
 
If someone wanted addresses of likely gun owners, wouldn't it be easier to just hack the database of the NRA, or Buds, or Midway USA,.....
 
IMO, it's not a issue at all, Chiappa are being open about the inclusion of the RFIDs, of which, the data held therin is simply of no use to anyone without having very intimate knowledge of the companies databases to even recognize that the number they have scanned is even related to firearms and not a kids schoolbag, door card for someones office, keyless entry fobs, a cardboard box that had bulk snack food in it, or even Fido, your pet of many years.

Worrying about what govt agency might be driving past your house in a van scanning for what weapons you have is somewhat moot too, you've probably just paid for it electronically anyway, along with the ammo, accessories, and just for good measure - mentioned it multiple times on a massive firearms related forum, probably with pictures on imageshack or photobucket to boot.

Who has access to ECHELON - Now that's something for the foil hat brigade to worry about...
 
i guess you should also start painting your house with lead paint in case they ever invent portable x-ray vision
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The government banned lead based paint for that very reason.
 
Monster, you seem to have missed the point expressed repeatedly...

The govt here is not allowed to search your house without a warrant...in person, or electronically. that isn't the issue. This is NOT about the government being able to track us. they can do that just fine with a search of your phone records to see what towers your phone has been pinging.

It's the broadcast of your personal belongings to those with the will and access to pick it out of the air. "may happen" has passed, RFID is being used today by the more creative and technologically savvy criminals here in the US TODAY.

"intimate" knowledge today is only as secure as the weakest link in a chain.

Edit... And welcome to The High Road As well Neighbor.
 
This reminds me of when I was a kid and bar scanning was just being introduced onto packaging. There were many folks that said that this is the mark of the beast and it was evil. I hear the same type of over zealous panic about this. Just calm down and take a few deep breaths and then you will come to the same conclusion that I already have..........




THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING !!!!!!!!!!!:what::what::what:

In all reality the Chiappa line of firearms are just to damned ugly for me to ever spend money on anyhow!:D
 
If they wanted to the electric co could put a reader into their service equipment that is always on and monitoring your service and sell the mined data to whomever for that need they have. We would not need to be made aware of this. Anyone with a clearance level of say SS3 or below could gain access as needed for example. Btw the RFID tags on merchandise are erased when you leave the store or the theft alarms will sound when passing you know. The individual has seen nothing as far as how we can be tracked so far. Stand by and pay attention.:eek::D In the not too distant future we will go to work, go shopping, and take time off with the act of just participating being monitored by a means that will need no currency just our presence to be valid. Automatic income taxes, payments, punishment and such and such.:D just wait a few years.

Just noticed this is post 1776 how ironic.
 
Gee..if the gubmint had "chipped" all them Gitmo detainees afore lettin' em loose, they'd know where all them terrorrists are at all the time, jus like they gonna know wuz up with all my "chipped" guns all the time. If it's as simple and effective as so many people here claim.
BTW, M-Cameron, I need three shoulder holsters all anodized in sky blue!
 
Zundfolge - you say:
LOTS of manufacturers of LOTS of products use RFID chips to track materials and product through their manufacturing process.
They are NOT some sort of tracking device.
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Uh, you can't have it both ways.

Actually, they ARE tracking devices, but is a passive way. They do NOT transmit any info and (so far) can only react when a compatible reader is close enough to induce a tiny electric current that makes the chip readable, normally, less than 3-5 feet.
 
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