Chicago Bears defense tackle faces gun charges

Status
Not open for further replies.
"How about IF he had followed the Law and had the Card. None of this would have happened. This isn't a new law been around for years. He has already been in trouble for having a gun in his car. Was still on probation for that . Had another run in with law a few mo back.Doesn't matter what other state laws are .He lives in this one. Follow the law like all the rest of the GOOD people and no Police."

Is Illinois his permanent residence? If not and he has a DL issued in another state then he can not get the FOID card. Non residents can posses firearms in IL. I
 
I predict this will be the debut of the "I'm not here to start no trouble.
I'm just here to do the Super Bowl Shuffle." defense.
 
Here is a columnists opinion...

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/174200,CST-SPT-greg15.article

Message to Bears: Get serious

December 15, 2006
BY GREG COUCH Sun-Times Columnist
Think of it all as one: two unregistered assault rifles, six unregistered guns in all, a police raid, drugs in the house, a toddler and an infant.
Remember that Tank Johnson already was on probation for a gun charge. And in another incident, last February, he was being ticketed for double-parking and things ended up getting heated with the cop, and Johnson allegedly told him: ''You ain't the only one with a Glock. If it wasn't for your gun and your badge, I'd kick your ass.''

The Bears are going to take this seriously, right? And we are, too?

I know, I know. The Bears' defense isn't looking as dominant as it was earlier in the year. And Johnson became an even bigger part of any Super Bowl hopes when fellow defensive tackle Tommie Harris got hurt. But we have to stop putting that sort of thing above everything else.

A toddler, an infant and unregistered assault rifles? Come on. This is a Tank Johnson problem, but also a Bears problem and an NFL problem. Even bigger, athletes and guns have become a sports culture problem.

The Bears, who had the issue last year with Olin Kreutz and Fred Miller and the shooting range, are going to act on this, right?

Johnson was arrested Thursday on six counts of unlawful possession of weapons. In this case, he allegedly had six guns in the house and no registration card. Another man who apparently lives in his house was arrested on a felony charge of marijuana possession.

''It definitely is a concern because Tank has had to deal with some things like this in the past,'' Bears coach Lovie Smith said. ''Yes, it definitely is a concern.''


Why don't they learn?
If the Bears want to make a statement about what's really important, they will not play Johnson. Everything is just alleged now, with no convictions. So the Bears should suspend him with pay, and when the justice system has taken its course, re-evaluate then. Just do it, Smith and general manager Jerry Angelo. I know it hurts. But this isn't just embarrassing; it's important. Take it seriously.
If this all is true, you have to ask: Why doesn't Johnson learn?

I just had a moment of deja vu: Several weeks ago, I asked the same thing about Indiana Pacers guard Stephen Jackson, who had been a big part of the brawl with fans in Detroit. This year, he was arrested after an incident at a strip club that allegedly involved him firing a gun.

NBA commissioner David Stern is so worked up over his league's thug image that he keeps trying new things. He also said he wished players would stop carrying guns. And some people went nuts over this being America and the players' rights.

And then on Thursday, we saw pictures of two small kids being carried out of Johnson's house while police raided it, looking for guns.

Last year, after the Kreutz-Miller thing, I asked Johnson about guns and why he has them.

''I grew up in the desert in Arizona, and guns are looked at there as just another thing,'' he said. ''In Texas, it's like that as well. And in the South.

''It's about having fun. We're not out to harm someone.''

The NBA isn't the only league with trouble. The NFL might be even worse, with some incredible arrests this year for several types of charges. Bears cornerback Ricky Manning Jr. was suspended for a game after pleading no contest to a felony assault charge. He was alleged to have beaten a man in a Los Angeles Denny's.

Eight Cincinnati Bengals and four San Diego Chargers have been arrested this year. And NFL commissioner Roger Goodell called Bengals president Mike Brown on Monday to offer his help.


'Guns are rampant in football'
That wasn't as generous an offer as it sounds. By ''help,'' he was suggesting that the Bengals had better fix things now, or he would take care of it for them. And Goodell already has started to come down with increasingly strict penalties.
Goodell seems to take it seriously.

Four years ago, former NFL player Lomas Brown told the New York Times how startling the league's gun trend had become during his 19-year career. He said players were taking guns onto team flights, into locker rooms, cars, training-camp dorms.

''Just about every guy I played with in the NFL had a gun,'' he said. ''Almost every player I knew had one. Guns are rampant in football. You have all these players packing guns wherever they go. It's a disaster waiting to happen.''

You could say that the news with Johnson wasn't a disaster Thursday. No one got shot.

Charges were dropped from Johnson's earlier battery charge with the police officer. And no one has been convicted yet from Thursday's raid.

Meanwhile, the Bears can really use Johnson now. So they can just blow this off with some harsh-sounding words.

''We're constantly talking to our players about doing the right thing,'' Smith said. ''And [they] do the right thing the majority of the time. But sometimes things like this come up.''

Maybe all that talking isn't enough. The problems keep stacking up. The sports world's, the Bears' and Johnson's, too.

For now, the disaster is still only waiting to happen.


Letters to our sports columnists appear Sunday. Send e-mail to [email protected]. Include your full name, hometown and a daytime phone number

First off in the state of IL guns are not registered. Perhaps in Chicago only but the rest of IL does not register guns in general. There maybe a township or two but overall it is not as common.

Either way who cares if the man had an Assault Rifle? DId he harm anyone with it? This is just another journalist demonizing guns.
 
"Quote:
Non residents can posses firearms in IL

Is this a typo? Should it say Can't or is this just a loophole?"

No typo and no loophole. Is it illegal for non residents to possess firearms where you live? I have never lived in a state where that was the case.
 
I always thought the meaning of "gun charges" was buying your guns with Visa or Mastercard! Guess I was wrong!






hummmm , that reminds me , gun show this weekend , south florida fairgrounds . looks like I'll be up on charges too !:evil:
 
Non residents can posses firearms in IL

Is this a typo? Should it say Can't or is this just a loophole?"

No typo and no loophole. Is it illegal for non residents to possess firearms where you live? I have never lived in a state where that was the case.

Some more support for Craddock here...

Two exceptions to the FOID Act:
430 ILCS 65/2(b)(9) Nonresidents whose firearms are unloaded and
enclosed in a case;

and
430 ILCS 65/2(b)(10) Nonresidents who are currently licensed or
registered to possess a firearm in their resident state;


There are additional exceptions for non-resident hunters and people who are on supervised shooting ranges, but as a general notion you must have an FOID to even touch a firearm in Illinois. I know nothing about Johnson's residence status, nor do I know anything about his gang affiliation. Regardless, I hope that whatever attorney he hires puts up a serious fight over the FOID act.
 
not a real huge football fan, but

I think I've found another team to pull for now besides my Panthers and Eagles. Any team forced to have their home base in Daley-land deserves some sympathy rooting! :D
 
"Quote:
Non residents can posses firearms in IL

Is this a typo? Should it say Can't or is this just a loophole?"

No typo and no loophole. Is it illegal for non residents to possess firearms where you live? I have never lived in a state where that was the case.

No it's not, but they also don't require residents to register their long guns (except NYC). So if you are a resident and need to register all firearms, I would consider this a loophole for non residents who own 2nd homes in Il, own firearms, but not have to register them because they possess an out-of-state DL.

Do you understand what I'm saying?
 
So if you are a resident and need to register all firearms, I would consider this a loophole for non residents who own 2nd homes in Il, own firearms, but not have to register them because they possess an out-of-state DL.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
IL does not have registration of any firearms.
Chicago requires registration.
Johnson's residence was not in Chicago. He lives north of Chicago in Gurnee.
 
screw foid ,it is a direct violation of the 2 ammend ment!!! now get of your ass an do something :fire:
 
screw foid ,it is a direct violation of the 2 ammend ment!!! now get of your ass an do something

Sadly, though the FOID Act may stand in direct opposition to the notion of "shall not be infringed", as both de-facto and de-jure regulation of firearms ownership, the law itself passes muster with the Illinois state constitution (the language of which states that firearms ownership is subject to the "police power") which tucks in nicely with the "well-regulated collective right" interpretation of the Federal Constitution.

Collective right interpretation = "well regulated militia" + "subject to the police power" (i.e. the power doing the regulating)= FOID Act validity.

...in the legal/constitutional sense. :barf:

Whether or not the notion of the FOID Act is valid in a philosophical sense in terms of individual liberty is another issue entirely.

Which is why I am hoping the act will face a drawn out legal challenge. Johnson has the resources to pay an attorney to work hard on it...but I doubt it will happen. He won't be interested in being a test case for firearms law in Illinois.
 
"No it's not, but they also don't require residents to register their long guns (except NYC). So if you are a resident and need to register all firearms, I would consider this a loophole for non residents who own 2nd homes in Il, own firearms, but not have to register them because they possess an out-of-state DL.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Yes I do but you have been mislead by the media into thinking there is such a thing as Gun Registration in Illinois. 0, Zero, Zilch. Handguns and Longuns have no way to register in Illinois. Only Chicago requires it but affords no way to register. There way of a gun ban. Gurnee is in Lake county where I live. I have more than 6 legally owned unregistered firearms in my house.

I have also bought new Firearms and a fair amount of ammuntion in IL without a FOID card. That was before IL became my main residence. There is no way to get a FOID card without residency. This proccess can take over 30 days. When I became a resident I applied for my FOID card the same day and Illegally possessed firearms during that waiting period.
 
By the way- Tank and his live in BodyGuard that was arrested on Thursday were at a night club last night. His bodyguard was shot and killed inside that club during a fight.
 
Craddock -

Two things...

First - I thought I saw something on the news scroll about Tank's bodyguard getting shot and killed. Do you have anything more on that? I'm digging for news stories now. I guess I will have more reason to watch the game this weekend to see how much the broadcasters talk about it. Never mind...I already located several stories, details are sketchy but it is certainly starting to appear as though Tank needs some work in the "friend selection" department

Second - You are correct in stating that Illinois has no formal gun registry. However, purchasing a gun in Illinois requires the presentation of your FOID card, the number of which is recorded in relation to the serial number of the gun you buy. Additionally, when you as a citizen sell or transfer a firearm to another Illinois resident, you are required by law to keep record of that transfer for 10 years...to include a description of the firearm, the SN, and the pertinent information of the transferee (including FOID number).

Does this sound like a de-facto registration system to you?
 
Does this sound like a de-facto registration system to you?

I agree completely. But coming from another state I have only one Firearm that I have purchased with a FOID card. I guess I am waiting to see if Tank was in fact a IL resident and if not how well the lack of FOID card charges. will stand. It would seem to me they would be very easy to beat with any decent lawyer. He may have not even broke any laws. The two loaded firearms might be the only problem without the FOID card.
 
"I thought I saw something on the news scroll about Tank's bodyguard getting shot and killed."

You did. Something about a fight in front of a trendy bar and a killing. No details on how close he was to the bodyguard or his direct involvement.

John
 
I'm not a sports fan even in my state with the various team fevers but I do have to chime in here. seems to me that most of the NFL players are or going to college hearing some of the speak makes me wonder which school they're going to.
I'm guessing here but how old on average are the players 20's maybe? Give your average 20 something kid with an all ready over inflated ego nearly unlimited amounts of money and adoration and you've a time bomb on your hands,add to the fact that there is no REAL discipline for acts that are FELONIES adds even more fuel to the fire.
Why should Mr Johnson feel that he obey the law when those around him proclaim that he's just short of the second coming?
IIRC 1/4 to 13 of the NFL players are felons having done things that would have put you or me in jail for along time
The team should suspend Mr Johnson with pay until he gets his house in order. BTW this little rant goes toward anyone
athletes politicians or anyone else who thinks that because there someone "special" they can do as they please
Other than that I have no strong opinions on the subject
 
There is certainly a general perception that pro athletes come of age in an environment where they are given carte blanche to misbehave because their abilities on the field are just to important for their schools/teams to give up. If they do get caught, they are given slaps on the wrist. The assumption is that this only encourages bad behavior.

I might agree...but I also might agree that many young men (rich, poor or otherwise) exercise bad judgment in their personal lives.

I am not yet ready to condemn this guy as a horrible felonious mad-dog. He definitely appears to have been loyal to fault when it comes to his friends (his "bodyguard" was a live-in buddy from his past) and he certainly has exercised some bad judgment. But it isn't abnormally bad. The guy grew up in AZ and played college ball in WA...it is likely (especially since he has no FOID) that he owned all of those guns before he moved to IL in 2004, or that he is maintaining residency in another state.

Maybe not smart to continue your association with a guy known for bad character (bodyguard Posey)? Sure...but I have maintained friendships with people who aren't the most upright citizens....heck some of them are family.

Maybe not smart to continue to ignore getting a FOID to remain compliant with the law? Sure...but we don't have answers to questions of residency yet.

Maybe not smart to drive around with a gun in his SUV? Sure...but again he's from AZ and at the time of that offense he was quoted in the paper explaining that growing up in AZ guns weren't such a "big deal" and it was an oversight on his part.

Maybe not smart to go out the night after your arrest for MISDEMEANOR gun charges? Sure...and now that his friend is dead he may have finally gotten his "wake-up" call.
 
John BT said:
"I thought I saw something on the news scroll about Tank's bodyguard getting shot and killed."

You did. Something about a fight in front of a trendy bar and a killing. No details on how close he was to the bodyguard or his direct involvement.

Yep. Bodyguard Posey was shot and killed last night.

The boyhood pal and bodyguard of Chicago Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson was shot and killed in a River North nightclub early today, just days after he and Johnson were charged following a police raid in Gurnee, authorities said.

Willie B. Posey Jr., 26, was shot at the Ice Bar nightclub at about 1:30 a.m. He and Johnson were at the club at 738 N. Clark, and a fight broke out just before the shooting, police said.

“What we can tell so far is there had been a fight inside the bar, a shot rang out and Mr. Posey was shot,” police Supt. Phil Cline said.

Posey was dead on arrival at Northwestern Memorial Hospital. He was officially pronounced dead at 2:09 a.m., according to the Cook County medical examiner’s office. No one has been charged with the shooting.

Full story here. The story/coincidences is getting stranger everyday.
 
This story continues to develop...

Talking heads during pre-game mentioned something about Johnson stating that he has played his last game as a Bear, likely implying that the Bears plan to release him. (insert Bengals joke here).

Story details regarding the death of his friend are developing also. Apparently the fight started after a man continued to bump into and bother Johnson at Ice Bar (the club) until Posey (the bodyguard) stepped in. Bouncers broke up the fight between the unidentified man and Posey and as they broke the men apart, the shooter drew his gun and fired. Police are looking for the shooter now.

Interestingly enough, the neighborhood where the club is located (River North) is pretty clean and trendy...not exactly a dangerous.

Was the fight a staged instigation? My conspiracy theory alarms are ringing and I am looking for my foil hat right now. :p

It looks less and less like this incident is going to result in a legal challenge to the FOID Act. Especially if there is something bigger going on for which Johnson can drop information in exchange for reduced charges.
 
Well....Tank's judgment from the team is a single game suspension. His legal troubles will of course continue.

Word is also that he is putting up his dogs (which spurred the initial complaints) for adoption. Turns out that the bad seed all along may have been the bodyguard friend.
 
I am a huge BEARS fan. However I agree with the author of this editorial...

Warm-hearted team axes cold truth

December 20, 2006
BY RICK TELANDER Sun-Times Columnist
Hey, don't we now know who the greatest, most forgiving, most caring, most huggy-buggy employer in the whole wide world is?
The CHICAGO BEARS!

Yay!

You thought Terry ''Trouble'' Johnson, the Bears dog-baiting, gun-loving, disco-hopping, pot-smoking, arrest-happy defensive tackle was going to get tossed out into the cold, cold world just as Christmas beckons?

Just because he has been arrested three times in the last year?

Just because he has shown the judgment, moral fiber and discipline of a gangsta rapper?

Just because his best friend/ thug/ex-con ''bodyguard'' Willie B. Posey was iced at Ice Bar early Saturday morning while Johnson shimmied on the dance floor?

Just because Johnson is an embarrassment to any parent anywhere who ever has told his or her kids that pro athletes are people to look up to?

No, no, no!

The Bears are not a bottom-line, cold-blooded, billion-dollar company with a monopoly franchise in the NFL.

They are the Salvation Army in hardhats! They are here to help.

''When you're talking about a person's life and their livelihood, you take that very seriously, and you take time,'' Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said at Halas Hall on Tuesday.


It's simple: Defense needs Tank
He was explaining why the Bears, who crow constantly about the ''character'' of their players, didn't dump Johnson immediately after he was arrested for possessing six unlicensed guns Thursday and then went carousing on fatal Friday.
He was explaining why the Bears were going to ''work with'' Johnson, and only suspend him for a single game (if you can call a contest against the Detroit Lions a game).

''Collectively, as an organization -- ownership, coaches, players, myself -- we all agreed the right thing to do was keep Tank and keep working with him,'' Angelo continued.

You may have yearned for the GM to have spoken, just once, the never-uttered truth: This is a crazy game, and we'll stock our team with serial killers if they can help us win.

Critics point to the way the Philadelphia Eagles suspended nutcase-star Terrell Owens in the 2005 season as an example of proper management discipline.

But Owens was a pain in the butt to his own team, to his own quarterback, Donovan McNabb.

''Trouble'' Johnson fills in too nicely for the injured-for-the-year Tommie Harris to be cut adrift.

Indeed, dump him now, and the Bears get nothing in return on their second draft pick of the 2004 draft.

And, by golly, didn't the miserable Tampa Bay Buccaneers move up and down the field Sunday at Soldier Field with no Tank in the trough?

Hmm, it could be the Bears really need this guy for a Super Bowl run.

And he'll do just fine at a position likened to a that of a human fire hydrant, to a man in de-evolution, where the basic instruction is, ''Stay in your gap and hurt somebody!''

It may lightly nauseate folks who watched coach Lovie Smith and Angelo become all stern and cautionary a couple days ago when they clucked mightily about miscreant Johnson and the moral low road.

''There comes a point where you draw the line and you say, no more,'' said Lovie ominously.

But Tank Johnson is nowhere close.

This is about reclamation and soul-saving, not crime and punishment.

This is about love and, as Angelo said, ''silver linings,'' not crime and waivers.

''The playoffs were never brought up,'' said Angelo of the Tank talks.

Apparently, only feelings and ''messages'' and big hugs came up.

It may be sadly cynical to point out, but Posey's untimely demise while ''protecting'' the 300-pound Johnson as the player boogied on the Ice Bar floor may have solved a major PR problem for the Bears.

It makes Johnson a sympathetic figure who is grieving for his ''best friend,'' and it nicely resolves the sticky felon-hanger-on issue.

Oh, did you know the Bears, like every team in the league, care mainly about perception, not reality?

You don't hear a lot of empathy from the Bears when they cut lesser players willy-nilly and end their careers and mess with their lives, do you?

Also, here's how long Tank Johnson's NFL career would have been over -- until one of the 31 remaining teams picked him up.


How nice -- it's all about family
But the point has been made -- and it's good that is has been -- for those of you who still believe Santa Claus slides down chimneys and coaches and GMs don't lie.
Tank Johnson himself stood at the rostrum Thursday and said he was consumed with self-help issues like ''the things I want to accomplish'' and ''decisions'' and ''actions'' and ''improvements'' and ''love'' and ''support.''

If Dr. Phil and Oprah and Bruno Bettelheim could have been there, a group fleshpile of forgiveness and joy might have spontaneously broken out.

''We're doing very good because we're a tight-knit family,'' Johnson said of the Bears and his own sincere self.

''We're not looking for perfection,'' said Angelo. ''We're looking for progress.''

You see, even five unregistered guns is an improvement on six.


Letters to our sports columnists appear Sunday. Send e-mail to [email protected]. Include your full name, hometown and a daytime phone number.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/telander/179101,CST-SPT-rick20.article

He needs to be punished.

Tank could be in jail hopefully by Friday.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top