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Still not sure yet but tempting...very tempting!
Still not sure yet but tempting...very tempting!
Clint Smith on the Mossberg Shockwave
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You can get those 1.75" mini shells in some pretty interesting configurations now... 8 Pellets of #1 Buck Shot or 7 Pellets of #4 Buck Shot and 4 Pellets of #1 Buck Shot. Mixed Birdshot and Buck, you can get #3 Buckshot.
Most of the penetration tests I've seen of #4 shows the majority of the shot penetrating 14" with some going a little deeper and a few pellets stopping shorter. I can't see a mix of #4 and #1 Buck not being effective.
Most of the penetration tests I've seen of #4 shows the majority of the shot penetrating 14" with some going a little deeper and a few pellets stopping shorter. I can't see a mix of #4 and #1 Buck not being effective.
huntsman
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This gun has peaked my interest, I've shot short barrelled shotguns in the past and they are the ultimate one trick pony which is contrary to what I believe a shotgun should be.
But if the need exists then I think this setup would be the way to go and any reservations I'd have would be because of the brand name not the configuration.
But if the need exists then I think this setup would be the way to go and any reservations I'd have would be because of the brand name not the configuration.
SwampWolf
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Whatever happened to Clint Smith? He used to be a regular contributor to Guns magazine but he hasn't written an article for them in months nor have they ever acknowledged any reason(s) for his absence. I hope it's not a health issue.
Gordon
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It is a health issue I've heard, sadly.
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OK the Augie Doggy Shot shells have caught my attention.
First has anyone done some gel tests with these things?
Second can two fit and, be securely held, in one of the elastic butt cuff shell holder cells, maybe one brass up and one brass down?
As to shooting with the extended support arm, I played with an AR-180 for a good bit trying to find the best way to get hits with it with the stock folded and came upon this technique. That same year a deputy showed up at the range with a 10 1/2 inch barreled little Savage Double barrel 12 gauge with the grip worked down to pistol like shape. He fired it from the hip, and missed half the time at seven yards.
I ask him what it was for and he explained that as a rural deputy sometimes called to fine drinking establishments so far out in the boonies they had to pipe in sunlight and working alone and with back up at best several minutes away( as most LEOs did in those days) he really needed the respect of the citizenry he encountered. He claimed that walking into the middle of a drunk four way fight at 1 AM that the only OTHER thing he had found that got the attention of folks such as found in such places was a running chain saw. He said the sawn off was easier to carry and maintain so........
Anyhow he let me shoot it and seeing me shoot it two rapid shots that covered the head and A ring with buckshot holes using that "stiff arm" stance spent the rest of his ammo doing so himself and thanked me. To the best of my knowledge he never had to actually use that sawn off, so it worked perfectly.
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First has anyone done some gel tests with these things?
Second can two fit and, be securely held, in one of the elastic butt cuff shell holder cells, maybe one brass up and one brass down?
As to shooting with the extended support arm, I played with an AR-180 for a good bit trying to find the best way to get hits with it with the stock folded and came upon this technique. That same year a deputy showed up at the range with a 10 1/2 inch barreled little Savage Double barrel 12 gauge with the grip worked down to pistol like shape. He fired it from the hip, and missed half the time at seven yards.
I ask him what it was for and he explained that as a rural deputy sometimes called to fine drinking establishments so far out in the boonies they had to pipe in sunlight and working alone and with back up at best several minutes away( as most LEOs did in those days) he really needed the respect of the citizenry he encountered. He claimed that walking into the middle of a drunk four way fight at 1 AM that the only OTHER thing he had found that got the attention of folks such as found in such places was a running chain saw. He said the sawn off was easier to carry and maintain so........
Anyhow he let me shoot it and seeing me shoot it two rapid shots that covered the head and A ring with buckshot holes using that "stiff arm" stance spent the rest of his ammo doing so himself and thanked me. To the best of my knowledge he never had to actually use that sawn off, so it worked perfectly.
-kBob
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Gordon
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I flirted with 870 18" underfolders for 10 years trying to master the Pistol grip only 870 and Ithaca Stakeout 20 gauge and yes tried the "Witness Protection " style on the 12 guage 870 this Mossy has on it to come to the conclusion after my first SG training class in 1995 I moved to this circa 86 I believe Robar 870 Mag. which 10 years later I put on this Side folder after I cut it shorter about 2 inches and cobbled up the first Kickeze hollow pad I could find held on by a tube of "The Right Stuff" which formed a super tuff ugly bond of rubber filled hollow kick ease. Notice the pre Surefire forend light, which was the schizzle at the time. Notice the barrel is Winchoked as there were no suitable Rem choke barrel then when this was comissioned from Robar, notice how the teflon has hel up 30 years ! Notice the fabricated flip up rear ghost ring deal. The adjustable Lyman peep was flip down and protected by steel bars , all welded to the receiver by a master heliarc guy ! Any way the bottom line of hi jacking thread is the recoil of a 12 guage even with managed recoil loads really needs to be handled with two hands to get hi percentage repeatable good hits from 7 yards out . but Yes I can see it closer than that as it is handy. Trust me , I was checking the off the shoulder use of a shot gun out for 50 years and wanted to like it . RIP Louis Awerbuck .
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Gordon
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I would have one of those Mossies as a fun type deal or under the counter option.
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I wasn't able to view the video, but I'm curious how that grip helps recoil at all. It seems to be on the horizontal side. It appears like your hand would slide. I'm not being critical cause I like it and I'm waiting for a double barreled version (SxS)
just curious on this raptor grip statement.SwampWolf
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Whatever happened to Clint Smith? He used to be a regular contributor to Guns magazine but he hasn't written an article for them in months nor have they ever acknowledged any reason(s) for his absence. I hope it's not a health issue.
It is a health issue I've heard, sadly.
I suspected as much. Sorry to hear this and hope that what you heard is wrong.
Whatever happened to Clint Smith? He used to be a regular contributor to Guns magazine but he hasn't written an article for them in months nor have they ever acknowledged any reason(s) for his absence. I hope it's not a health issue.
It is a health issue I've heard, sadly.
I suspected as much. Sorry to hear this and hope that what you heard is wrong.
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Panzerschwein
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His throat sounds rough. Cancer? I hope not, I really like Clint Smith. He is of the "old school" where instructors didn't all have to be tacticool badasses with multicam baseball hats, shaved heads, Oaklies, and tactibeards.
I wasn't able to view the video, but I'm curious how that grip helps recoil at all. It seems to be on the horizontal side. It appears like your hand would slide. I'm not being critical cause I like it and I'm waiting for a double barreled version (SxS)
Because a traditional pistol grip is more or less vertical and it forces your wrist and elbow to be below the barrel. With the birdshead grip, your wrist is closer to the bore and it is canted forward, your elbow is closer to being in line with the bore. With a traditional pistol grip, your wrist becomes a pivot. With the birdshead grip the recoil is more straight-back and it moves your hand and forearm back, it doesn't force your wrist to pivot upward.
wally
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This is the same idea as the "plow handle" grips on the .69 Cal muzzle-loading flintlock pistols -- seems awkward until you actually fire one (replica).
This is what I think really makes it shine. I picked up a couple of the OPSol Mini-Clips and ran some minishells through my regular 590 and it run like a champ. Unfortunately I haven't found any buckshot rounds recently (locally), but the birdshot rounds fed perfectly. I would be interested in how well they run in the Shockwave and recoil is probably non-existent.
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Useless for anything other than making the manufacturers money in my book. A HUGE difference in the practicality for someone who does little besides shoot every kind of gun available, all the time, and anyone approaching novice status. Of course everyone reading this with visions of being the baddest of the bad and slaying zombies left and right knows they are not novices.
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I used to work at the LGS. Had a Mr "I know, you don't. I'm cool, you're not" get a PG for his Mossberg 500.
So, he takes it into the range to shoot it. With slugs. We kinda tried to talk him out of it, but not very hard. He was gonna have to learn. He shot it. Once.
Not sure if it broke his wrist or just sprained it, but he had the gun up for sale immediately. No takers.
I've shot hundreds of slugs in my life. You couldn't pay me to shoot them out of a PG. they're brutal enough on your shoulder
So, he takes it into the range to shoot it. With slugs. We kinda tried to talk him out of it, but not very hard. He was gonna have to learn. He shot it. Once.
Not sure if it broke his wrist or just sprained it, but he had the gun up for sale immediately. No takers.
I've shot hundreds of slugs in my life. You couldn't pay me to shoot them out of a PG. they're brutal enough on your shoulder
Sour Kraut
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Would be a great bear gun while fishing in Alaska!
Clint tells people to use the strap and warns people to not take it off the forend. But I noticed the Remington version of this - the 870 Tac-14 doesn't even come with a strap.
Has anyone who has actually fired the Mossberg Shockwave have an opinion on the strap?
Has anyone who has actually fired the Mossberg Shockwave have an opinion on the strap?
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Panzerschwein
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I think the strap is a good idea.
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