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Clip vs Mag : terminology review
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jefnvk
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Are you going to correct someone from Britain, who may call a car hood a bonnet? People grew up calling the same thign by different names. I know quite a few shooters who have never seen a stripper clip before, and interchange the terms. Do I bash them in? Nope.
People grow up calling somethign by a name. Someone else grows up calling them by a different name. Soem people apparently are forced by the military to call them somethign different.
Case in point: what do you all call those thigns on the wall you drink water from? If you walk into a restaurant, do you order when you want a carbonated sugary soft drink?
alucard0822
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At the range, when I ask my girlfriend to pass 3 clips to re-load my mag, or a couple garand clips she knows what I mean. I don't worry about correcting people, but proper terminology can help understanding. " Pass me 2 clips and a clip for the AR and a couple more clips and clips to load the clips in my AK and oh yea, a couple more clips for the SKS, it doesn't use clips".
motor=direct conversion of energy into motion aka electric motor
engine=uses combustion/thermal process to generate energy and power motion. aka gas engine, steam engine
they may quickly and proudly pronounce you have a 3.2 liter dual over head cam fuel injected ENGINE with variable cam lift and timing.
then point out Detroit is the "motor city", and they sell "motor oil" , and watch their head spin as they puke split pea soup.
I imagine telling an officer you didn't renew your registration, because the Motor Vehicle Administration has no jurisdiction over your non-electric vehicle powered soley by a gas engine wouldn't work.
go to a mechanic shop or auto parts store and ask for stuff for your "motor"
motor=direct conversion of energy into motion aka electric motor
engine=uses combustion/thermal process to generate energy and power motion. aka gas engine, steam engine
they may quickly and proudly pronounce you have a 3.2 liter dual over head cam fuel injected ENGINE with variable cam lift and timing.
then point out Detroit is the "motor city", and they sell "motor oil" , and watch their head spin as they puke split pea soup.
I imagine telling an officer you didn't renew your registration, because the Motor Vehicle Administration has no jurisdiction over your non-electric vehicle powered soley by a gas engine wouldn't work.
Joe Demko
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I don't know why you are all so emotionally overwrought (both sides) with respect to this question. When we start getting to not-so-thinly veiled insults and questioning each other's intelligence and the other foolishness that has happened in this thread, it makes me laugh. Why? Because this board is one where liberals and antis are routinely pilloried for being ruled by their emotions. Now here you guys are, getting worked up over whether or not a technical term means what you want it to mean...and that's both sides.
WuzYoungOnceToo
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Did any of them ever try stuffing $1 bills into a "clip"s g-string?
Just tossing a little more fuel on the fire. You "magazine" guys better have a chat with The Marlin Firearms Company.
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Store/Category.aspx?category=Clips&
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http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Store/Category.aspx?category=Clips&
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WuzYoungOnceToo
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That's why I own a Savage instead
alucard0822
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go ahead:
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Dear sir or madam, I am appaled at the sheer disreguard for truth displayed by your webpage. Under the "parts" you allegedly refer to magazines for several models of rifles as "clips". In this litigious society of ours these blatant injustices must be corrected for the safety of the public, including 80 million gun owners. I patiently await a correction, and public apology to the scores of patrons who have supported marlin firearms since 1870, and have suffered psycological stress and trauma for this seemingly "minor" oversite.
I than you in advance for your compliance, Alucard
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2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
And How Many of You Mispronounce Garand? (II)
(Jes' gettin' even with one uh them reel perfeshinil dealers thirty years ago who "corrected" me on my "mispronounciation.")
Read it and weep:
(Jes' gettin' even with one uh them reel perfeshinil dealers thirty years ago who "corrected" me on my "mispronounciation.")
Read it and weep:
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Hawk
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I recall seeing some ad copy from Marlin where they described one of their .22 rimfires as "tubular magazine or clip fed", or something along those lines.
It's not immediately clear how this could be cleaned up without losing clarity - "tubular magazine or magazine fed" doesn't work well; "tubular or vertical magazine" is hardly better.
Perhaps "Tubular or removable box magazine"?
At any rate Marlin has an excuse that those without tubular magazines don't have. Remington's use of "clip magazine" is understandable as well given the number of people no doubt searching for magazines using "clip" as a keyword. The objective, after all, is to sell the things - not lecture one's customers.
It's not immediately clear how this could be cleaned up without losing clarity - "tubular magazine or magazine fed" doesn't work well; "tubular or vertical magazine" is hardly better.
Perhaps "Tubular or removable box magazine"?
At any rate Marlin has an excuse that those without tubular magazines don't have. Remington's use of "clip magazine" is understandable as well given the number of people no doubt searching for magazines using "clip" as a keyword. The objective, after all, is to sell the things - not lecture one's customers.
WuzYoungOnceToo
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Or the ever-popular, "Totally tubular, dude."
chris in va
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I like the word CLIP better because it's easier to say...and it sounds more interesting.
You can't MAGAZINE it in, but you can CLIP it in!
You can't MAGAZINE it in, but you can CLIP it in!
Blackbeard
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Sinch spellin ain't im portend, may be wee kin cowl it "da bocks u putz da bull its inn"
Geronimo45
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I pronounce it 'emm wun'.
Calling a magazine a clip or a clip a magazine, I don't mind, I just smile because I've been corrected a few times, but what makes me grind my teeth is when shotguns are called " shotties" and Remingtons are called " Remmies". errrrrr, even typing it makes me grind my teeth.
J_Dillinger
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Point >> I forgot to add that I'm also coming from a re-enactor background as in the War against Northern Agression (not C.W. as the textbooks re-wrote it) and realism in depicting the time is important.......please don't fault me and argue straying from the topic - start another thread and I'll debate that with any offended Yankees.
Anyhow - it's important to speak the 'language' of the day and while in modern terms it may be viewed as incorrect to call a mag - a clip.......if I'm portraying the roaring 20's era when the Tommy Gun was popular and readily available at hardware stores.
Historically, I'm being correct in calling my 30-round sticks - BOX CLIPS as would have been used in the 1920's through 1930's.
Period correct would be to call it a 'clip'......
'Mag' is a modern slang term, sorry.
tkendrick
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We awr now huked on fonics!!!!
Clip or Magazine? Garand...How 'bout Krag? Caliber or calibre.
Go down South or into most of the Midwest and ask for a Coke. The first question you'll get is: "What kind?"
We live with a language that suffers from having evolved from at least three different parent languages.
I move we table this discussion- For our freinds from Britain and the Commonwealth countries- that means I move we don't table this discussion.
Call it what you want, I know what you're talking about.
And I still have doubts about those who find it necessary make it an issue. It lowers MY expectation that you are able to converse with others without allowing your ego to get in the way.
Clip or Magazine? Garand...How 'bout Krag? Caliber or calibre.
Go down South or into most of the Midwest and ask for a Coke. The first question you'll get is: "What kind?"
We live with a language that suffers from having evolved from at least three different parent languages.
I move we table this discussion- For our freinds from Britain and the Commonwealth countries- that means I move we don't table this discussion.
Call it what you want, I know what you're talking about.
And I still have doubts about those who find it necessary make it an issue. It lowers MY expectation that you are able to converse with others without allowing your ego to get in the way.
1911Tuner
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J Dillinger...Would you'uns be a-talkin' 'bout the Yankee Invasion of the Southland in 1860?
Great grandpappys from both sides of the family...one from Birmin'ham Alabammy and t'other from Wise, Virginny was both volunteers fer that one.
I couldn't agree more. Like my grandpappy Tuner used ta say:
"Don't worry 'bout the little stuff."
Great grandpappys from both sides of the family...one from Birmin'ham Alabammy and t'other from Wise, Virginny was both volunteers fer that one.
I couldn't agree more. Like my grandpappy Tuner used ta say:
"Don't worry 'bout the little stuff."
I'm all in the "Words Mean Things" camp. At the same time, I recognize the value in:
"In terms of principle, stand like a rock. In terms of style, go with the flow."
I see little return on equity (ROE) to be had from being "that guy" who corrects people's verbage and terminology at every opportunity. You know you've crossed the line when you stop getting invited to things and crowds filter out as you walk up.
Is it really worth it? Have we already solved every other pressing problem in the world and now must hash out semantics until we have absolute compliance and conformity? Have we decided that others secretly appreciate being lectured on word usage and that somehow this will only strengthen our bonds of friendship?
Yeah... I didn't think so either.
I never really thought about this topic prior to a few months ago. I am one of those oddball people who actually used the term "magazine" and "clip" properly-- naturally. So, I am doing good. Nope.
You see, it was pointed out on THR a while back that you commit a party foul if you use the term "bullet" when you should be using the term "cartridge." Sure, I know the difference-- and I always have. But I also know that practically EVERYONE around here uses the term "bullet" when they really mean "cartridge." So... when it Rome....
I've had a gun in my hands for over a quarter of a century, and I have YET to have an experience even where confusion arose from the improper use of the terms "Magazine" or "Bullet." No one has every been shot. No one every had a Accidental or Negligent Discharge, and the Pope is still in Rome.
-- John
"In terms of principle, stand like a rock. In terms of style, go with the flow."
I see little return on equity (ROE) to be had from being "that guy" who corrects people's verbage and terminology at every opportunity. You know you've crossed the line when you stop getting invited to things and crowds filter out as you walk up.
Is it really worth it? Have we already solved every other pressing problem in the world and now must hash out semantics until we have absolute compliance and conformity? Have we decided that others secretly appreciate being lectured on word usage and that somehow this will only strengthen our bonds of friendship?
Yeah... I didn't think so either.
I never really thought about this topic prior to a few months ago. I am one of those oddball people who actually used the term "magazine" and "clip" properly-- naturally. So, I am doing good. Nope.
You see, it was pointed out on THR a while back that you commit a party foul if you use the term "bullet" when you should be using the term "cartridge." Sure, I know the difference-- and I always have. But I also know that practically EVERYONE around here uses the term "bullet" when they really mean "cartridge." So... when it Rome....
I've had a gun in my hands for over a quarter of a century, and I have YET to have an experience even where confusion arose from the improper use of the terms "Magazine" or "Bullet." No one has every been shot. No one every had a Accidental or Negligent Discharge, and the Pope is still in Rome.
-- John
Hkmp5sd
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Use the correct terminology.
Do you call semi-automatic rifles "assault weapons"? No.
Do you call <insert the latest wicked brand of ammunition here> "Cop Killer Bullets"? No.
If we cannot use the correct terminology to describe firearms and components, how can we expect the media and general public to use them?
Do you call semi-automatic rifles "assault weapons"? No.
Do you call <insert the latest wicked brand of ammunition here> "Cop Killer Bullets"? No.
If we cannot use the correct terminology to describe firearms and components, how can we expect the media and general public to use them?
Bazooka Joe71
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My favorite toystore calls all of their mags clips: http://whittakerguns.com/
Never understood why, but didn't question him with the prices he has.
BTW, I was talking to my FFL today(who is buddy's with Darryl, the owner) and he said he is trying to sell his shop...$8,000,000 and the shop is yours. He will even throw in the building and the land for free!!!(its a steal isn't it?)
Never understood why, but didn't question him with the prices he has.
BTW, I was talking to my FFL today(who is buddy's with Darryl, the owner) and he said he is trying to sell his shop...$8,000,000 and the shop is yours. He will even throw in the building and the land for free!!!(its a steal isn't it?)
Aguila Blanca
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Dillinger -
I notice that you conspicuously did not post the source for your definition. The definition is extremely suspect. "Clip" in reference to a device such as the M1 Garand en bloc clip is correct usage. "Clip" in reference to a removeable magazine such as used in an AR-15 or in semi-automatic handguns is not correct. If you are proud of using incorrect terminology, that's fine with me. But you should not berate those who feel that the use of correct terminology is ... correct.
I notice that you conspicuously did not post the source for your definition. The definition is extremely suspect. "Clip" in reference to a device such as the M1 Garand en bloc clip is correct usage. "Clip" in reference to a removeable magazine such as used in an AR-15 or in semi-automatic handguns is not correct. If you are proud of using incorrect terminology, that's fine with me. But you should not berate those who feel that the use of correct terminology is ... correct.
Novus Collectus
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The Southern insurrection started in 1861 when the rebels attacked an American ship when Buchanan was president. The rebels then fired on on a Federal Fort in March.
IMO as far as clips and magazines go, it is not totally important outside of military or courtrooms to make the distinction and I sometimes say it wrong too, but one thing I will never mistake is saying I put a magazine of .45 ACP in my revolver. My revolver takes clips.
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