Joe Demko
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Well, one thing we can all agree on...all the other people in this thread are wrong.
Clip vs Mag : terminology review
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1911Tuner
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The Yankee invasion started much earlier...and the final warning to end the occupation of the South came on April 12, 1861 when the SC Militia laid into Ft. Sumter in Charleston Harbor, thereby declaring Southern independence. The garrison was given several warnings and had ample opportunity to evacuate the fort...
Less than a century earlier, the American Rebel Insurrection began at Lexington Green, but they were called patriots...for pretty much the same thing.
The Deer Hunter
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Why even bother? I call them magazines, and everyone knows what I'm talking about. Other people call them clips and I know what they mean. I call shotgun shells bullets and everyone knows what I mean.
Novus Collectus
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1911 Tuner, all SOuthern states were members of the Union until late December 1860 when the first state, South Carolina, claimed secession. The Federal presence in those states was legal by even their laws, and when seceding states told Federal troops to leave their states they did so voluntarily except for two forts.
What "invasion" are you talking about? There was no invasion and the insurrectionists acting under orders of an illegal government fired on a commercial ship under the American flag sailing for the United States government.
Say what you will about a justification for the South to secede Constitutionally or economically, but to say the South joined the war because it was defending itself from a Northern invasion is wrong. The South fired the first shots and were the military aggressors at the start.
By the way, initially Virginia almost didn't join the South.
What "invasion" are you talking about? There was no invasion and the insurrectionists acting under orders of an illegal government fired on a commercial ship under the American flag sailing for the United States government.
Say what you will about a justification for the South to secede Constitutionally or economically, but to say the South joined the war because it was defending itself from a Northern invasion is wrong. The South fired the first shots and were the military aggressors at the start.
By the way, initially Virginia almost didn't join the South.
Joe Demko
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So let me see if I have this right: The North, armed with clip drum-fed semiautomatic machineguns, invaded the South which was forced to defend itself with .45 Long Colt assault weapons?
Who had the banana clips?
What happened to the minibike?
Was there pie?
Does John know Martha is pregnant with Jerry's child conceived while she was suffering amnesia?
If Batman had been born in the 1840's, would he have fought for the North or the South?
Who had the banana clips?
What happened to the minibike?
Was there pie?
Does John know Martha is pregnant with Jerry's child conceived while she was suffering amnesia?
If Batman had been born in the 1840's, would he have fought for the North or the South?
Novus Collectus
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That's an easy one. Which did the Civil War Gatling take? Magazines, or clips? I am willing to bet they took magazines.
Geronimo45
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More or less, yes.
The Cubans. And a few Zouave groups.
It was shot by Josey Wales.
Yes.
Historians are still arguing that one.
Likely the North. He was in 'metropolis', and big cities were mainly a northern thing. I have a feeling that the bat-utility-belt would go best with a stovepipe hat, anyways.
1911Tuner
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Novus. I know. I've been a Civil War buff for many years. It goes all the way back to 1962. I was pokin' ya with a sharp stick.
And my great-grandfathers really were with the Virginia and Alabama regiments. That's what sparked my interest back in '62.
The stories that my parents related to me...the ones that they got from the horses mouths...lit the fire.
Cheers...ya'll.
And my great-grandfathers really were with the Virginia and Alabama regiments. That's what sparked my interest back in '62.
The stories that my parents related to me...the ones that they got from the horses mouths...lit the fire.
Cheers...ya'll.
Novus Collectus
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1911 Tuner, my dad was a virginian. He actually believed Lee never surrenderd his sword at Appomatox and what really happened was that Grant took it from Lee and Lee was too gentlemanly to make a scene about it.
So out of curiousity, as a CW buff, do you know what they call the feeding device on the Gatlings back in the CW?
So out of curiousity, as a CW buff, do you know what they call the feeding device on the Gatlings back in the CW?
1911Tuner
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Nope. The terminology thing has been beat to death numerous times on the board...and nothin' that's been said here hasn't already been said. Guess one dead horse is as good as another...
Novus...I believe they called'em...Sticks.
Tuner, I have to put that in my Signature Line!
BTW... for the CW buffs and very off the subject-- but still entertaining...
There is a leather thigh pouch in the Vicksburg Civil War museum that belonged to my Great-Great Grandfather. The interesting thing about the pouch is that there is a bullet hole on one side of it, but no exit hole on the other. He had the pouch full of those hard-tack bisquits. They actually stopped a musket ball that would have wounded him. Take that, Dragon Skin!
We donated the pouch several years back.
-- John
Novus Collectus
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Now that doesn't help much. Since the first detachable magazines in history seems to be called sticks, from now on I am going to say my pistol takes a stick of .45 ACP.
jefnvk
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What flavor? Blueberry or apple?
Jack A. Sol
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Good for you in correcting your languge on this. Too many tv shows make it difficult to discuss things with the laymen accurately
It's not so much a case of "panties in a bunch", but rather a minor "pet peeve". Certainly I would never call anyone out in public for misusing the terms. Plenty of folks who have forgotten more about firearms than I will ever know call magazines "clips", and I think no less of them.
However, "clip" is plainly incorrect when referring to a detachable magazine, no matter popular or ubiquitous it's become, or how unlikely dangerous confusion resulting from misuse of the terms is, and I reserve the right to be ever so mildly annoyed, if only briefly, secretly, and inconsequentially.
However, "clip" is plainly incorrect when referring to a detachable magazine, no matter popular or ubiquitous it's become, or how unlikely dangerous confusion resulting from misuse of the terms is, and I reserve the right to be ever so mildly annoyed, if only briefly, secretly, and inconsequentially.
Raisin Pie!
My ancestry on both sides were Confederates, I have a ancestral uncle that never surrendered, some fought in the American Revolution before that.
In many ways we in the West suffer some of the same injustices that the south did over 150 years ago.
Government's, can but man, and power mongers never change.
Hopefully as gun owners and the perils we face as such, some of you will understand, but I fear from plenty of the ideals I read here, many are already part of the problem.
I feel I am a fortunate man to have lived when and where I have. Never in the history of mankind have things in general been better for the everyday man than were/are/when/where my life has been. I fear it will not again anytime soon either.
And we worry if it's a clip or Magazine?
My ancestry on both sides were Confederates, I have a ancestral uncle that never surrendered, some fought in the American Revolution before that.
In many ways we in the West suffer some of the same injustices that the south did over 150 years ago.
Government's, can but man, and power mongers never change.
Hopefully as gun owners and the perils we face as such, some of you will understand, but I fear from plenty of the ideals I read here, many are already part of the problem.
I feel I am a fortunate man to have lived when and where I have. Never in the history of mankind have things in general been better for the everyday man than were/are/when/where my life has been. I fear it will not again anytime soon either.
And we worry if it's a clip or Magazine?
Officers'Wife
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Hi Jwarren,
My family is almost all ex-military. My first experience went something like this:
(stern parental tone) This is an SMLE rifle commonly called a Lee Enfield. The Lee Enfield has a detachable box magazine that is only properly removed for cleaning. The Lee Enfield is loaded with a stripper clip as follows...
Oh, and just for the record... A gun is a smooth bore artillery peice while a small arm (pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun) is a firearm. Myself, I could care less what you call it as long as it's clear what you are refering to.
Selena
My family is almost all ex-military. My first experience went something like this:
(stern parental tone) This is an SMLE rifle commonly called a Lee Enfield. The Lee Enfield has a detachable box magazine that is only properly removed for cleaning. The Lee Enfield is loaded with a stripper clip as follows...
Oh, and just for the record... A gun is a smooth bore artillery peice while a small arm (pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun) is a firearm. Myself, I could care less what you call it as long as it's clear what you are refering to.
Selena
I hear ya Selena
We aren't a "military" family-- but we have fought in every US war up to Vietnam. We just had to get called up.
In a way, we have a rich history of revolution. As mentioned earlier, My great-great grandfather was a Confederate. Interestingly enough, however, I am named for the first JWarren in the colonies. He fought in the Revolutionary War, and was wounded but survived. He was the first to leave the NE and relocate our family in MS. He is buried in our family cemetary a few miles from my house.
So basically, every chance our family got to secede from something, we did.
My formal firearms training consisted of safety primarily-- i.e. Don't shoot me in the back of the head.
-- John
We aren't a "military" family-- but we have fought in every US war up to Vietnam. We just had to get called up.
In a way, we have a rich history of revolution. As mentioned earlier, My great-great grandfather was a Confederate. Interestingly enough, however, I am named for the first JWarren in the colonies. He fought in the Revolutionary War, and was wounded but survived. He was the first to leave the NE and relocate our family in MS. He is buried in our family cemetary a few miles from my house.
So basically, every chance our family got to secede from something, we did.
My formal firearms training consisted of safety primarily-- i.e. Don't shoot me in the back of the head.
-- John
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Gawd, I love these threads!
I always learn something and always get a couple of laughs.
Well, disunirregardless of the correctitude, I'm gonna stuff some bullets in my Glock Model 27's stick and load it into the gun's mag slot.
I always learn something and always get a couple of laughs.
Well, disunirregardless of the correctitude, I'm gonna stuff some bullets in my Glock Model 27's stick and load it into the gun's mag slot.
I too am military, and from a military family.
The definitions as stated above (re: clip and Ma) are correct.
I believe that the reason the .45 Thompson mags, and the Marlin (and others) refer to the detachable mags as "Clips" has to do with the single stack, vs staggered stacking of rounds.
The .45 Thompson was single stacked in the ten, 20 and 30 rd mag, and all those 30 carbine 4 shot, and most .22 mags are single stack, and refered to (wether improperly or not) as clips by the company. Staggered stacks are refered to by the company usually as mags.
Lee Ermy's definition is right, however. And stated in a rather quiet manner for him.
I only hang out with people who are properly trained, so my tender ears (which don't hear too well anymore, anyway) are not offended by malappropisms.
BTW, "It's" means possessive, (belonging to "IT"). "It is" is spelled without the apostrophy (its).
The definitions as stated above (re: clip and Ma) are correct.
I believe that the reason the .45 Thompson mags, and the Marlin (and others) refer to the detachable mags as "Clips" has to do with the single stack, vs staggered stacking of rounds.
The .45 Thompson was single stacked in the ten, 20 and 30 rd mag, and all those 30 carbine 4 shot, and most .22 mags are single stack, and refered to (wether improperly or not) as clips by the company. Staggered stacks are refered to by the company usually as mags.
Lee Ermy's definition is right, however. And stated in a rather quiet manner for him.
I only hang out with people who are properly trained, so my tender ears (which don't hear too well anymore, anyway) are not offended by malappropisms.
BTW, "It's" means possessive, (belonging to "IT"). "It is" is spelled without the apostrophy (its).
Jim Watson
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Not the couple I have shot. They were double column, staggered feed.
Hmm. Exactly the opposite of what Miss Williams taught me.
You're testing us, right?
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