Everyone has opinions and some just haters trolling for a response. Some got lucky with these while others got shooters. I gotta shooter that I shoot the heck out of. The corrects stay tucked away for a reason. At least we know where these came from and are worth the price of admission and keeping them out of captain crunch.
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Homerboy
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the CMP doesn’t refurbish them. The army did. Most service grades were overhauled and put into storage. Parts that needed replacing were replaced. Mine was overhauled twice. First at Augusta Arsenal in Georgia. They were reparkerised which is why they have that grayish hue. Mine was last overhauled in July of 1976 at Anniston Army Depot, then put away. 30 years of military service. I shoot it every now and then. Perfect operation. Puts them all in the black. Worth every penny to me, despite what some others might think.
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As one who actually was issued 1911s over the first half of an active duty career that topped a quarter-century, I would respectfully disagree with the first and last statements submit that the second is irrelevant, and the third simply hyperbole.
That said, I remain a fan of Colt 1911s and will gladly pay the premium for a CMP 1911 just because it's a part of my -- and my father's -- personal military history. And I'm kinda a sentimental dude.
As for the OP's pistol -- looks great, wish him well with it.
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Ive shot a bunch of GI guns over the years, most of them out of armories in the late 60's, early 70's. Most of them "looked" like they had been around (hence my question above), but they all seemed to work OK and shoot fine. They had finish wear, and looked nothing like the CMP gun above, with a nice new park job.
My brother in laws dad still has the 1911 he brought home from the Army Air Corp, and it looks great, almost new, and with very little finish wear. Having seen a few others that were in different places on the ground, and Im sure a lot of how they look depends on where they were and what they were doing. Assuming they werent re-arsenaled of course.
I carried a 1911 on a daily basis for about 25 some odd years. When I started out, the only real game in town were Colt, and USGI guns. Llama and Star were around, but they really werent in the game. The Llama was kinda close, the Stars, well, they looked like one. The Llamas were not well thought of. I had a Star Model P, and it was a great gun.
I only ever trusted the Colts and GI guns to carry, and of course, they too needed help as time went on, if you really wanted to trust them with anything but ball.
Funny thing back then was, they werent really all that popular or well thought of, and a lot of people thought they were inaccurate and unshootable. War stories, of all types, generally arent real reliable.
Personally, I think the best and worst thing that ever happened to the 1911 was Jeff Cooper. He showed a lot of people "the way", and that was good, but what followed production-wise, was bad.
I think at this point, its no longer a simple thing to have a 1911 "discussion". Its become too broad a subject to cover at this point, and to discuss things realistically, you need to break things down into categories, and go from there. Otherwise, youre really just having conversations about apples vs oranges.
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One other thing here too, in regards to parts matching. I know a lot of people make a big deal about all the parts matching, by manufacturer, but from the stand point of them being issue or military guns, especially guns that have been in use for so long, the guns are actually "correct", even if they dont match. Unless maybe you come across something that was never issued or distributed and is truly, "NIB".
The military doesnt care if the parts match, only that they fit and work.
Ive seen this a lot with things like the M1 and M1 Carbine, and people trying to make them "correct" by swapping out the parts the gun came with, with parts made by the same maker as whats on the receiver, when if fact, they already really are "correct".
And again, you start slipping into the category thing with these as well.
The military doesnt care if the parts match, only that they fit and work.
Ive seen this a lot with things like the M1 and M1 Carbine, and people trying to make them "correct" by swapping out the parts the gun came with, with parts made by the same maker as whats on the receiver, when if fact, they already really are "correct".
And again, you start slipping into the category thing with these as well.
ApacheCoTodd
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Sensitive?
Not in the least.
Just concerned with attending to the words relative to 3 experiences that I had.
"You think they’re trash." Nope, I said that three were most certainly were. Inside and out - crap! You're implying an indictment on the whole operation.
I can't help you with comprehension over the internet anymore than I have but, maybe if you tried reading my posts outloud and slowly they'd be clearer. I don't mean that in an insulting way - it actually helps to present as speech, sometimes - but you seem to be missing the main point I am making that from my experience and only relative to me, the risk relative to what I have seen those three times is simply not worth it.
And as far as attending to words, you should have noted that the experience was at the Vegas show - not Arizona. I may not have been clear that it was the Vegas Antique Arms Show since that's the only show other than Safari that can draw me to Vegas. This is the best - or was - event for collectors around. It draws significantly not only nationally but internationally as well, coinciding as it does with S.H.O.T. show - 19 out of 20 times. Beyond that, my experience is the entirety of the U.S. west of the Mississippi though I don't go the the Mid West so much anymore.
"Just because some people at some gun show somewhere don’t agree with me doesn’t mean anything to me." Apparently, that's not true as evidenced above and I'm sure to follow.
"Worlds a far bigger place than just Arizona. Bet you those same guns in gunbroker sold no problem." That is certainly no ringing endorsement for anything other than the marketplace and practices of GB.
I never even remotely said that *they* as in the normal offerings aren't worth the money and in fact can easily draw more than paid. I merely wouldn't risk it myself based upon those three.
In any case, we'll not be hearing from one another again. So, I'm happy that you're happy but you need to relax a bit.
Todd.
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My reading comprehension is fine. How many of these CMP guns have you seen? Because you just said the three you saw, on the same day, no less, we’re steaming piles of crap not even worth $500. Unless you have seen many of these particular CMP guns, seeing three is a huge percentage of them, and the odds are extremely unlikely that the 3 you saw just happened to be trash. Your inference was very clear to me and everybody else here.
And I’ll say it again, a functional GI 1911 is worth more than $525 and the fact that these 3 didn’t sell on at some Gunshow, regardless of where that Gunshow is, doesn’t mean anything to me. Expand the buyer base and I bet they sell. I bet they’d get the $500 they were asking for on gunbroker without a problem.
And since the three you saw weren't direct from the CMP, your observation is pointless. Go over to the CMP forum. Lots of trading going on. Somebody could have swapped out a part and put an inferior one on to maximize their profit. The CMP guns are tested for function before shipping. Don't see them letting trash or crap out the door. You have no idea if the ones you saw were as they came from the CMP. The CMP is not in the habit of selling trash, and in my experience, they have bent over backwards to make things right if there is problem.
Tell Karen I said hello, as if I or anybody else on here would have a clue as to who she is.
between the CMP forum, this forum; and several others, I have seen hundreds of posts and pictures regarding these pistols. Other than a few who were bummed about a replacement slide, something that doesn’t take away from the fact that they are real GI 1911’s, and the replacement slides were put on there by the US military, something that doesn’t take away from the history, the posts and pictures have been nearly 100% positive. But three people in Vegas had ones that you called trash, so why risk ordering one?
you’re right. We won’t be hearing from each other again. I wonder how the rest of us are gonna survive without your wisdom?
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