CNN Corrects Error on Number of School Shootings, Actually 80% LESS

[FROGO207]

The tide is changing-------slowly, but changing non the less. Would this even happened a year or two ago? All those new gun owners out there saying " Hey were not the bad guys you make us out to be." and realizing what is happening now. IMHO

 

[Double Naught Spy]

These are two different sorts of figures being discussed. The Everytown data aren't too far off from what is really going on. There are a lot of shootings at schools (in or on property). The CNN story basically covers the spectacular interest school shootings. CNN recognized this, though I think some of y'all missed it.

All CNN is saying is that there were 15 like what happened in Oregon, and NOT that 80% of the claimed shootings didn't happen. They haven't really corrected a number, but instead highlighted the 15 really sensational ones out of the bunch, the most horrific, those that cause the most fear in American society. A shooting at school is still a school shooting, though it may be typical interpersonal violence as opposed to the helter skelter rampage and often suicidal sort of school shoot like Columbine or Sandyhook.

Of course, any data used that were from events taking place off of campus do not count, but in looking at the critiques of the data, there are only a few of those to be discounted. The rest of the issues seem to be focused on that motivation and ramification differences.

Everytown was fairly specific in stating what their data did entail...
http://everytown.org/article/schoolshootings/

Data: Incidents were classified as school shootings when a firearm was discharged inside a school building or on school or campus grounds, as documented in publicly reported news accounts. This includes assaults, homicides, suicides, and accidental shootings. Incidents in which guns were brought into schools but not fired there, or were fired off school grounds after having been possessed in schools, were not included. This list includes incidents meeting the above criteria that were brought to our attention after our School Shootings Analysis was issued on February 10, 2014. Incidents were identified through media reports, so this is likely an undercount of the true total.

Are there problems with the data? Sure, some didn't occur in or on school grounds. For example, number 8 just occurred "near Morehouse College" and not actually at it. http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/22648057/suspect-arrested-in-fatal-shooting-near-morehouse-college

#15 happened off campus ... http://www.wvec.com/news/escu-221819011.html
#52 happened on campus but after hours during a pickup game of basketball. So this was a non-school activity during non-school hours, where the activity and the people were in no way monitored or covered by school parameters. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/02/police_two_boys_charged_in_bru.html

So there are some problems with the data, no doubt, but there are certainly a lot more shootings that occur on school premises during school hours/activities than just the 15 highlighted by CNN.

So some of the events don't exactly fit Everytown's criteria (off campus incidents), but that is only a small portion of the data.

 

[Bexar]

If you haven't noticed, fact checking and editing is essentially a thing of the past with regards to CNN.

We may may consider it to be manipulative bias (and a lot of it is), but it's also a reflection of the declining condition of traditional media as a whole. They just don't have the budgets they once had to staff their organizations with facts-checkers and editors anymore.

The state of newspapers is even worse.

I had quit watching CNN because of its blue Kool-Aid anti-conservative never-ending vomit-oraty. I started watching it again to get the latest on the shootings and the Ukraine. It may be the DNC is paving the way for Hillary by trying to marginalize Obama but CNN seems to be turning pleasantly right leaning. Cuomo used to be so drunk on the Blue Kool-Aid and defending Obama I expected him to fall down. Now, he talks about conservative politicians ripping Obama a new one. Almost verbatim Cuomo's words.

CNN has certainly started leaning more middle than when before they were so far left they couldn't even see the political fence.

 

[Spats McGee]

. . . .Gee, you'd think the White House could afford a staff of fact-checkers, wouldn't you?

Afford? Yes.
Use? Not so much.

 

[KarenTOC]

Gee, you'd think the White House could afford a staff of fact-checkers, wouldn't you?

Fly on the Oval Office wall listening:

fact checker: Mr President, after checking all 74 of the school shootings reported by Everytown, I find that only 15 qualify as Newtown-style school shootings.

political advisor: Mr President, 74 is the more politically useful number.

speech writer: Mr President, I'm going to put 74 in your speech.

president: Where did I put my cigarettes?

 

[blarby]

I was wondering also if there was a way to quantify the term "mass".

The FBI quantifies it as more than 4 or more murders with no "cooling off period".

 

[we are not amused]

Worse, President Obama repeated it.

Caught it "out of the corner of my ear" on the news last night just before I hit the channel up-button on the remote, then could not get back to it on time. I know I said, "Say,what?" after the ten seconds it took for the number to sink into my mind.

Gee, you'd think the White House could afford a staff of fact-checkers, wouldn't you?

Terry, 230RN

That would presume that the President, or the Incompetent-in-Charge, as I like to call him, is actually interested in the truth, or does it just fit his agenda? "Never let the facts get in the way of good lie."could be this President's modus operandi.

Don't forget that this President used the fact that the BATF was running guns across the border to further his gun control measures, and when the operation was exposed, helped Eric Holder cover it up and protect the criminals who did it.

The President is a liar on so many levels it would be the man-bites-dog story of the year if he told the truth.

 

[P5 Guy]

Shepard Smith's Breaking News on FOX was the first place I heard 74 School Shooting Since SandyHook.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I was wondering also if there was a way to quantify the term "mass".

The FBI quantifies it as more than 4 or more murders with no "cooling off period".

This usually pertains to a given location or generalized location, versus a spree that may occur with no cooling off period, but occur at multiple locations. For example, here you have a mass murder and a shooting spree that actually spanned multiple locations and the route in between them.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...lls-10-kinson-samson-killing-article-1.367308

 

[Carl N. Brown]

A professor committing suicide alone in his office is not what people think of when the term "school shooting" is thrown about in the context of preventing the next Newtown incident through gun control or background checks.

Checking CNN's story, ("Everytown says 74 school shootings have occurred; CNN found 15 similar to Oregon shooting "), the 15 verified incidents do not themselves all match what authorities call "mass casualty incidents (MCIs)".

The worst MCI anywhere was Oslo, Norway, 22 Jul 2011, Anders Breivik shot 69 people to death at a youth camp on Utoya Island after detonating bombs that killed 8 in Oslo as a distraction, the worst death toll (77) in any single-person shooting spree so far. Erfurt, Germany, 26 Apr 2002, a former student killed 18 at a secondary school. Winnenden, Germany, 11 Mar 2009, a 17-year-old former student killed 15 people: 9 students, 3 teachers, and 3 others. All appear to have been long planned in countries with fairly strict gun laws.

Breivik claimed to have planned his crime for nine years, saving money and including trips to other countries to attempt to make black market weapons contacts. US spree killers have often planned their crimes over long periods of time, making most gun control plans including bans like England's moot (the 2006 British Home Office Report #298 details the rise of illegal sources and traffickers in firearms following their 1996-1997 bans on handguns).

 

[Double Naught Spy]

A professor committing suicide alone in his office is not what people think of when the term "school shooting"

That may be, but it is indeed a school shooting, like it or not. So too are all the grudge shootings because one student is unhappy with another. Just because the aren't the big events doesn't make them not school shootings or not indicative of a problem.

Breivik claimed to have planned his crime for nine years, saving money and including trips to other countries to attempt to make black market weapons contacts.

If you are going to be claiming issues of relevance, then bringing up non-school shooters from other countries isn't relevant.

Checking CNN's story, ("Everytown says 74 school shootings have occurred; CNN found 15 similar to Oregon shooting "), the 15 verified incidents do not themselves all match what authorities call "mass casualty incidents (MCIs)".

Checking into CNN"s story, they never claimed the 15 events were MCIs.

 

[MErl]

Someone committing suicide in their office is not an indication of any gun related problem. Grouping such an event in with Sandy Hook is deceitful.