Coach Guns

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Hi Guys-

I'm looking for some advice on choosing a coach gun for HD. I dont intend this to be a debate about SxS's vs Pumps, I have a Remington 870 and I am choosing to replace it with a coach gun.

I'd like to pick up a coach gun with external hammers and 18-20 inch barrels in 12 gauge.

Who makes them and which are the best and most affordable?

Thanks,
Josh
 
Remington "Spartan" (made by Baikal) is built like a tractor (or tank.) For a few dollars (or if you know what you are doing) can be slicked up so the fired hulls drop free and the action will open almost by sliding the lever and using gravity. Mine new cost about $320.00 four years ago.
 
I would assume that since most of these guns are made for CAS, very few or none of them have ejectors, only extractors?

Is this correct, does anyone know of one that does in fact have ejectors?
 
Correct. Most of the CAS-style guns do not have auto-ejectors.

Off the top of my head, it seems more of the over/under shotguns have auto ejectors. SXS are about as simple as they get (excepting maybe muzzleloaders.)
 
I know, it's missing the external hammers, but there's always this option :evil:
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I went through this not long ago, and the finding is that unless you're OK with Chicom guns or can afford the CZ hammer coach, you're pretty much SOL. Most of the original hammer guns have twist steel barrels, and those that don't (Remington 1886, for example) still can't handle modern heavy loads that'd be good for HD.

Cimarron imports the Polytech, which is pretty much what you're after. It has 3" chambers with cyl. bore tubes. But it's Chinese. I got one not knowing that, and upon discovering it's origin, promptly traded it off plus $50 for a nice Uberti 1851 RM in .38 spl.

I opted for a nice New Haven (Hunter Arms "Fulton") Boxlock SxS I scored for a couple hundred bucks, then lobbed the barrels. I wanted Cylinder bore anyway.
 
I have 2 Spartan/Baikal 12 Ga Coach guns, 1 with hammers, 1 without. They seem to offer good value for the $$, though I haven't used either a lot yet.

The bbls on the hammerless version are fairly well regulated, IIRC, with slugs impacting about 3" apart horizontally, 1" apart vertically and almost centered in the buckshot pattern at 25 yds, though the buckshot pattern is pretty loose w/ IC chokes at that distance.

The feature I liked on the hammer version is the firing pins are blocked when the safety is on- a feature missing on the Rossi Coach I bought several years back.

Interchangeable chokes add to the versatility and the chokes fit (according to catalog specs) my Mossbergs and Savage 24's as well.

The CZ is said to be better quality, but I haven't found one to look at so far.
 
What are my options for buying a longer barreled SxS with auto ejectors and chopping the barrels?

Who makes a SxS with functional hammers and auto ejectors, regardless of barrel length?

How real is the idea of internal hammer spring being stored under pressure? Would being stored cocked and locked truly ruin the springs to the point they may not work?
 
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Raising the dead here, but I got to handle a few different coachguns over the last few months: rossi, Remington/baikal and a cz.

CZ is by far and away the nicest in every regard... But you pay for it. It looks and feels like it should cost double.
 
Stoeger coach guns are hugely popular among the cas crowd and they are the ones who put lots of rounds through coach guns.
 
Raising the dead here, but I got to handle a few different coachguns over the last few months: rossi, Remington/baikal and a cz.

CZ is by far and away the nicest in every regard... But you pay for it. It looks and feels like it should cost double.

IIRC, the CZ is a Turkish built gun. I sorta prefer the Baikal if you want rugged reliability and the ability to take abuse. I have the Remington branded Baikal and they can still be found around, Gander Mountain still has a few of the O/Us. I didn't buy mine specifically for home defense, but as a multi use bird gun, home defense gun, trail gun, combo gun. It's my Leatherman in my firearms collection. I really don't care much if it ain't the prettiest.
 
Check out a CZ, found among those in the 'best' ring.

Not exactly - it would fall in the "better than the cheaper ones" area. There are some hammer guns, Fausti has one, that tend to fall more into the "best" category - and even that is debateable.
 
There is another option not yet mentioned. There is a higher-grade but still Chinese-manufactured coach gun that is imported under several names, TTN, EMF, and Cimarron. It will run from the lower 400's to perhaps 500 depending on finish, importers and part of the country. It has no cross-bolt safety, working hammers and, I believe, no tang safety either (unless that has recently changed). It is a bit heavier than some which is probably good as it has a traditional metal butt-plate. It is a clone of the 1878 hammered coach gun except made with better steel.
 
I have two Baikal Coach guns and have beaten the hell out of the 12 gauge carrying it as my bear back-up. The same gun doubles as my home defense piece. Unfortunately, they're not being imported at the moment, so you'll have to hunt a used one down on an auction site.

Baikals are stiff when new, but they loosen up. All the parts are steel and heavier than needed. As somebody above suggested, they're built like a T-34 tank! Typically Russian... Mine don't have exposed hammers, but I think for real defense use that would be the better choice since there's nothing to snag.

Anyway, I have far more expensive guns in my collection, but the Baikal is the one I want when things turn dirty.
 
I wouldn't argue about the Stoeger either. I've handled and shot them and they're good guns for the money. They aren't as robust as the Baikal, but they seem to have better handling qualities as far as balance goes.

I would re-think the exposed hammer option on a business gun. They'd be my choice for cowboy action shooting just on the aesthetics, but those hammers are a snag waiting to happen in a defense situation.
 
And leaving a loaded hammerless double setting around loaded is an accident waiting to happen.

Shotgun safetys are not drop-safe.
Or knock-over safe, or any other safe, unless you are holding them in your hands and have control of the muzzle direction.

rc
 
And leaving a loaded hammerless double setting around loaded is an accident waiting to happen.

Shotgun safetys are not drop-safe.
Or knock-over safe, or any other safe, unless you are holding them in your hands and have control of the muzzle direction.

rc
Exactly!

Can't buy shotguns in DAO!

I'll take hammers every time!
 
And leaving a loaded hammerless double setting around loaded is an accident waiting to happen.

Somebody once told me that so I banged my Baikal around quite a bit trying to make it go off (unloaded). I was unable to make that happen. I'm no double shotgun expert, but if there's an issue it's not found in the Baikal guns.

I'm usually carrying mine barrel down in a pack with the stock hanging over my shoulder. Hammers would be snag issue, but in home defense you're right that it wouldn't be an issue to be concerned about.
 
If things only happened when expected there would be no accidents.
 
Rcmodel and KodiakBeer dboth bring up a good point. I am with rcmodel in that I am not terribly comfortable relying solely on the safety of a SxS shotgun with loaded chambers. On the other hand (and I have to go by memory here) the Spartan/Baikal guns are interesting. Many of Baikals longer barrel models have hammer-mounted firing pins but the coach guns have spring-loaded firing pins which are struck by rebounding hammers. (If I said that all right.) I got this information by looking at the exploded views of various models on the Baikal Russian website and examining my Spartan coach gun. Personally, I think the coach gun method is, indeed, safer, but I am still leery of the fact that there is nothing to block the gun from firing should that hammer slip from its sear and strike that firing pin. They also have good coil springs, however, so there should be no reason to not leave a loaded gun slightly broken open to prevent an unwanted discharge. The Baikal coach guns also lend themselves to a variation on a method I read about from Beretta which is to remove the fore-end on an uncocked gun, break it open and load the chamber, close it, replace the fore-end. You have an uncocked, chamber-loaded gun which only needs to be cracked open (and put off-safe) to be ready for use. It works because the spring-loaded firing pins do not protrude into the chamber when the gun is uncocked. If there is something drastically wrong with that procedure, I hope one of you will point it out.
 
Of the current crop of hammer guns that I've handled the '1878 Colt' clone is the one I would pick. The hammers extend inward and are close enough together to cock both with one sweep of the thumb.
 
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