Colt 1908 Hammerless safety problem

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Recently inherited a Colt 1908 Hammerless in .380.

Thumb safety is loose. It moves too freely and will drop from safe to fire under gravity alone. A little wiggle and it's all the way down. Otherwise, the pistol is mechanically fine. Grip safety is 100%.

Any thoughts on purchasing a replacement safety from Numrich Arms/e-gun parts and fitting it? It does not appear to be a difficult part, but I've never done it.

Thanks.
 
Played with it some more to get a better understanding of what's going on.

The safety is two pieces. The shaft and the thumb piece with notch to stop the sear. Should the thumb piece rotate freely on the shaft or should this turn as one piece? Right now, the thumb piece moves and the shaft remains still. Is this a repair or replacement issue?

Thanks.
 
Well, the safety is not supposed to be in two pieces, even though it was made that way. Unlike the Model 1911 safety, which is one piece, Colt made the Model 1903/08 safety in two pieces, the safety plate and the safety shaft, and swaged them together. As you found, they sometimes come apart.

A fix is possible if you choose to try it. You can support the right end of the safety shaft on something solid (like a vise), and then use a hammer to swage the left end. Just pound on it (not too hard) to tighten it up on the safety plate. That can usually be done with little damage to the gun and sometimes can't even be seen. As a last ditch, the shaft can be staked, but that looks like hell.

If you want to get a replacement, I recommend you not just remove the safety as it is also the hammer pin and getting the gun back together will be a bear. Buy the new safety if you can get it. Then, to replace it, follow this procedure.

Use the new safety to get the diameter of the safety shaft. Obtain or make a rod of that diameter or a tad smaller, long enough (5" or so) to hold onto. Brass will be best, but steel will do if necessary. Don't use plastic. Round the end slightly; putting a hollow in it is best, if you have a means of doing that.

Field strip the pistol and remove the grips so they don't get damaged. With the slide off and the hammer cocked, clamp the pistol grip in a soft jaw (leather is good) vise. Move the safety to the up (on) position. With your rod, carefully push the safety shaft out from the right side. Keep pressure on the left end so the rod follows the safety shaft, not allowing the hammer to get free. You should be able to do this with just hand pressure, but take it slow. Once the safety shaft is all the way out, the rod should come through and out the left side.

Install the new safety, pushing it in and pushing the rod out, again making sure you keep control. Once the shaft is in, make sure the safety is in the up position and its end should come through to the right side. You are done.

If the new safety won't engage or won't go in, it will have to be fitted, which means more work with that rod and trial and error stoning on the sear engagement surface at the rear of the safety cam. I would say take the gun to a gunsmith, but I have seen so many of those guns really buggered up by "gunsmiths" that I hate to suggest that.

Jim
 
Thanks Jim.

I took the pistol all the way down as there were the beginnings of surface rust on the gun. It sat in a crawl space under a house in Half Moon Bay, CA (high humidity and salt air) for a while. A good solution bath and 000 steel wool and things look much better. It' wasn't hard to tear down, but getting the main spring back into place was a fun exercise until I got the hang of it.

I was thinking of using a hammer to lightly swage the safety, but didn't want to do anything until I got some feedback. I'll give it a go and see what happens from there.
 
That "fun exercise" is the reason I strongly suggest not detail stripping that pistol, and why I took the route I did in telling you how to replace the safety without detail stripping. I am delighted you "got the hang of it", and will recommend you the next time one of the guys asks how-in-heck you get the thing back together.

Swaging with a hammer usually works OK. Use the flat end of the hammer, not the ball peen end. and see what happens. I have swaged several of them that way, without even taking the safety out of the pistol. I just put the right hand end on a brass plate on a vise and tap the other end of the pin to spread it out. Doesn't take much.

Jim
 
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