Colt Defender woes

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Now that its been all figured out and there just isn't that much fun left, I think that you should sell it and buy a NIB mini-blaster from a nationally known retail firm like Wilson, Kimber, or Brown and start over...

Think of it as a 'Continuing Education Program'.

Lookit at all the fun you'd have.

Been there, done that, and it looks as though I'll have to do it again. Something about Series 70 parts in a Series 80 frame Officers Model that was finally behaving nicely...

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salty.
 
Tuner, re the JB --- it looks like the extractor channel is set a bit to the right --- the left of the semicircular rear is not flush with the hammer recess. So I guess even with a snug FPS, there's still a teensy fit problem?

Can't believe only a couple of degrees of rotation on the extractor would make that much difference --- but then, my sense of belief/disbelief was suspended a long time ago with this whole thing :D .

Oh --- and I could swear it works better with plain old gun oil than with TW25. Imagine that! :D
 
Barrel photo

Managed a couple of quick shots. This one shows what I'm done with.

Question: The line from Point A to B shows that the original chamfer is not symmetrical, right-to-left. ???? Why? (The hood is easily understood.)

The red ellipse indicates the area that I'd worked on. Regardless of reflections, etc., it is symmetrical relative to the breach bottom and is smooth. (The other tool marks are originals.) Unsupported case web is <=1/32".

It is this elliptically-defined area that had given me all of the JHP feeding headaches. (I have no "before" photos; and a "dimple" was there originally --- just so far back that it was virtually flush with the frame ramp when out of battery. :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :fire: )

No more stem lock. (As I've noted ad nauseum! :D )

Onward!!!! :)
 

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For Tuner, Fuff, et al ...

Thought this stuff might be of interest (now that I've taken the time to load this stuff).

Although the first photo is the only "directly" related on, this is an "I've got this old gun" story. My late father-in-law fought in Papua-New Guinea in the USAAC. Forced to bail out over the jungle, walked out. This gun was with him the whole time. I was given this pistol before I had received my Permit, had to surrender them pending receipt of Permit (Yay, NY!!!) and there is (of course) a story attached to my ultimate retrieval of these guns.

Late father-in-law's service pistol, 1943 Colt, carried in a P-47D (along with a few .50 Brownings :D ):
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Lt. Adamow, with some of the natives who led him out of the jungle:
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Joe's brother, Mike (upper left, MIA, presumed KIA months later) --- and yes, this is an original photo of one of the Midway B-17s:
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Part of the story behind the gun:
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There is, of course, a lot more to the story.

I also have the silk map, chits, and compass.

Sorry I didn't make it in time for December 7.

PS
This Colt is retired, but has never missed a shot in the few hundred rounds I've fired from it. All the parts are original and correct, and will stay that way.
 
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You have a neat gun, a neater story, and some interesting artifacts to go with it. If you will send me a P.M. with the full serial number I may be able to tell you when it was shipped by Colt, and to whom.
 
This Old Gun

(If this is the wrong "room" for this, please let me know, and move it to the correct area.)

This whole episode has been incredibly impactful.

Since I was a boy, I've been a WWII history buff, especially the air war. And, believe it or not, I can actually remember tracing the cutaway view of a 1911 from a library book when I was in elementary school. Weird.

Imagine my surprise when my ex-wife's (oh-ho! more to the story!!!) dad passed away in the VA, and we eventually got around to digging through everything. (The ex and I remained friends, still are. She gave me title to the guns (1911, HS Model B, Winchester Model 71/.348) several years after we'd parted. She knew I would appreciate these more than anyone she knew. She also knows that the impact of all of the material, with provenance, is considerable.) I have some nice friends ... :D

So:
The pistol
Original magazines
Shoulder holster (non-standard, with sleeves for two spare mags)
All of the flight calculators
Canvas helmets
Headset
Orignal Ray-Bans, in case
Survival compass
Silk survival map
"Blood chits"
Field manuals
Log books
Field orders
De-classified incident report
Stacks of Photographs
Piles of insignia, buttons, etc.

I turned the gun in to the locals, figuring a license was the best way to handle the disposition of the guns personally. And awaaaaaaaaaaay we go on The Story.

I figured, great, I'll wind up with a .45 and a .22, nice guns, too, what more could I possibly want or need? :D :D :D :D :D :D

And, obviously, got snake-bit. Need a bigger gun safe. :D (I'm sure no one else here knows what that's like ... :D )

It took me nearly a year-and-a-half to get the two pistols back from the local PD. Ultimately, I was forced to provide every piece of provenance, probate, and paper of all types before they were finally turned over to me. Largely, I have one particular Licensing Officer (T.H., if you see this, thanks mightily!!!!) for help in getting this resolved. In retrospect, I suppose there might have been a couple of folks who wouldn't have been too upset if this Colt had to be "re-dispositioned." The Properties Officer even commented, "Man, you've really gone to a LOT of trouble to get these back, didn't you?"

And I did.

MY L.O. told me, "Watch what happens, this gun will become your favorite." He was right. It doesn't get shot anymore, but the places it's been, the action it's seen, the fact that it made it through and back, along with Lt. Adamow --- well, that's something that way too few kids of the current generation can really get a handle on.

Even though Joe Adamow was quite incapacitated (non-war-related) when first I met him, we did have a couple of conversations. For one thing, I have a Private Pilot Rating. I learned to fly because I was so fascinated with things like P-51s, P-47s, P-38s, B-17s, B-24s, B-25s, B26s, and the like. I had to see what it was like to fly something. That's the only thing Joe and I were able to talk about, a little. After that, he was unable to communicate.

But he still does, in his way.

You know what I mean.
 
Pictures and a Story

Yes. Magnificent story and pistol. What an heirloom to pass along to your sons and/or grandsons. Make sure that they understand and appreciate exactly what they have.

I have the Colt that my father carried in the Ardennes, and a P-38 that he took from a German major at Colmar Pocket while initially covering him with the Colt. The German was actually relieved that the war was over for him and the too-young boys under his command...and they traded cigarettes and food for
other trophies. Since my only child is a girl who has absolutely no interest...and both her children are girls who will likely follow suit, I imagine that I'll leave'em to my ex-wife's sons. I raised'em, and they're as much my boys as they are anybody's. Kelie's son is in line for a few other treasures, and if we can keep him on the straight and narrow, he'll come into a few pieces of history himself.
 
Home on the Range

All is running as it should --- finally!

With several successful boxes of assorted ball, 100 Rangers, and 60 Federal 165gr JHPs later, running like silk. :)

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25 feet, 2 mags, 7/mag., 1 shot/1-2 secs.
Left target first, CCI Blazer; right target second, Federal 165 JHP.

Main problem with these targets, near-doubles get lost. Range pal watched it, knowing how crazed I've been with this Colt. He said there were 7 clear target fragments coming off each one.

Not my best groups, but for a 3" MiniBlaster, I'll take it!

:D :D :D :D :D
 
Defender

Outstanding! Glad ya got it sorted out. Accuracy is very good, and entirely adequate for what the little pistol was intended for. As the late Col. Cooper noted when discussing these pistols: (paraphrased) "Across a poker table, (sic) one does not need to be a virtuoso."
 
WE got it sorted out. I doubt that I would have gotten the nerve to hone things without the support I've found here.

Funny thing --- my 229 is a more "sophisticated" piece of machinery, but I've had a hand in how this particular 1911 works. And that makes a difference.

BTW --- the Ranger 230 is fine, but I think unnecessary. In the Government it feels like BBs now; in the Defender, it feels like it strains the machinery more than it's worth. I put it this way because I've been shooting a LOT of .45 in this little gun, and "felt recoil" has become something of almost detached reference. So, on top of having a Colt that's slicker than it was, everything else feels "easy" by comparison.

I've been able to compare the Colt Defender with a Kimber Ultra, a Colt Officer, and a Springfield Micro. Heavier, IMO, is not better with these little guys. They are what they are. Also, none of the others has been flawless in range sessions. Mine is close, now.

Now, when "Santa" brings my .22 "upper" for my Gov. Model, I can spend some "quiet time" with that and my Mk III. I figured I've earned it.

Thanks again, guys, for the .001-by-.001 encouragement.

PS
I haven't any kids. My fiancee's older son has no interest. The younger one, well, he's not going to any range with me any time soon. I'm trying to get my future wife to get her paperwork done. Maybe I can pass some tradition on to her. Maybe I can create a monster :D .
 
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>WE got it sorted out. I doubt that I would have gotten the nerve to hone things without the support I've found here.<
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One thing that I can tell ya about walkin' people through various repairs online is that...almost without exception...with page after page of step-by-step instruction, ya can't do the work unless you've got a little
"smif" in ya to start with. YOU fixed it. All we did was point ya in the right direction.;)

Beware. It's addictive. :D
 
Wrap-up(?!?!) questions?

1) The Dimple
The one on the mag follower. It's on the other models, not on the Defender. ???

2) Slide lock detent
The Springfield has a small detent dimple on the rear face of the lock, engaging with the plunger. The Defender does not. ??? (Seems like the l'il guy experiences more whammin' around.)

3) :D Re the "other post," does a 3" 1911 qualify as a "sub-atomic weasel blaster?" And if so, where can I find those weasels? :D :D :D
 
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