Columbia - let's hear the conspiracy theories!

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C'mon folks. I'm looking for the same people who crawled out from under their rocks only hours after 9/11 to declare that two planes "could not have possibly taken down the World Trade Center", and "sniff, sniff, there's more to this story", smug with their intrepid theories of government plots, ready to deliver what took PhD engineers months to declare. So, I know you're out there now, having already made up your mind about the shuttle disaster within hours (probably minutes of the news story), probably ready to burst at the seams with revelations of obscure and secret information from your confidential sources. Should we inform NASA now that they can stop the investigation? Oh, wait, I remember now - the investigation is just a subterfuge for what really happened. Please, we're all breathlessly waiting your words of wisdom, ignoring the coverup by scientists and bureaucrats.
 
Wondering if a "piece of foam insulation" from the booster engines could do that much damage to the heat-shield tiles?

Is the exterior of those boosters acutally foam? or some sort of metal/ceramic over the foam?

My 1/50th of $1 is thinking that a metallic/ceramic chunk hit the wing, causing far greater damage than acknowledge by MIssion Control. On re-entry, loose/damaged tiles flew off (at 12,000-16,000 MPH) and punched some holes in fuel tanks/cells and wing. BIG BOOM
 
prediction

:( they will run from the Israeli did it, to mystery jets following the shuttle (at mach 17-20 !!??!!), to particle beam weapons fired from satellites or south of the border, just to help the idiots to get started.
Btw - already saw a “fake†Nostradomus prediction today.
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This seems more appropriate here than on the other thread.

No conspiracy, but wasn't it nice seeing the population of LA & TX on the network news without them having to lose their mobile home to get on tv. :D

Greg
 
Yep, just visit DU for a daily helping of the absurd.

Personally, I blame it on all presidents and CONgress. If NASA had enough funding, instead of siphoning it off for more welfare and housing for crack whores and then whining about the relative pittance they do get, we'd have moved beyond the shuttles years ago. Or, at the very least, have the money to maintain and advance them better. That's my conpiracy theory.

I will go so far as to say that those who are jumping on the no terrorism bandwagon are as bad as those screaming terrorism 30 seconds after the shuttle came apart. The fact is a guy with a hammer could do a lot of damage before it ever took off and one inattentive inspector could let it slide past unnoticed. We just don't know and we possibly never will.
 
Let's be fair, most of the posters on DU are not buying into that guy's idea. Let's go over to see what the Freepers are saying in a few days and count how many nutballs are saying it was the Mossad, or whatever. Posters on lucianne.com are blaming it on Clinton budget cuts while others are grousing about Democrats turning this into a political issue...pretty ironic.

So...what's everyone's point? That there are goobers on websites who don't know what they are talking about?
 
That was my first (and last I think) visit to DU. My God -- those people are total loonies.
 
It wasn't a disaster.

It was a crash.

The brave folks on it were essentially test pilots in an experimental aircraft. With existing technology, one cannot make space travel foolproof. Bleep happens. Deal with it, and get another bird in the air.

Sheesh - with the stuff I'm hearing, the country would have taken until 1960 to get another plane in the air after Pearl Harbor...
 
You guys didn't read the .50 BMG thread ???? It was some "terrorist" in the Arizona desert with a fifty cal. that took out the Columbia. Yup, just shot it right as it was going to land..............:rolleyes:
 
You guys didn't read the .50 BMG thread ???? It was some "terrorist" in the Arizona desert with a fifty cal. that took out the Columbia. Yup, just shot it right as it was going to land.
Oh, so that's where that $50 billion went for Star Wars technology? Here the govt is sending up interceptor missiles for ICBMs and all they had to do was buy a Barrett M82A1.
 
Rock Jock,
You didn't visit VPC's website and see where Toady Diaz said it was a .50 bmg Raufous round that shot the Columbia down?:rolleyes:

Or was it one of Birdman's Nuke .50's :neener:
 
Just wait another 30 seconds and someone will blame it on Clinton.

According to FOX news tonight- NASA's budget was cut severely under the Clinton administration leading to shortages of staff and this caused some skirting of safety issues.

Of course it was partly Clinton's fault- the man was a national disgrace and should have been removed as President for this and other treacheries.



You might also read this:

Clinton & NASA’s Fall
By Lowell Ponte
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 3, 2003


PONTEFICATIONS

AS WE WATCHED SPACE SHUTTLE COLUMBIA’S FIREBALL falling earthward Saturday on America’s news channels, my wife Ellen said, "Well, at least we can assume that no more space shuttles will be given names that begin with the letter ‘C.’ Seven astronauts died aboard the Challenger in 1986. And now seven more have died aboard the Columbia."

Scientists in their rational minds reject all such notions of jinxes, bad omens and superstition. But I remembered when, as Roving Editor for Reader’s Digest, I was among those who might have been selected "the first journalist in space." Scientists like other human beings have emotions, and I would today feel uneasy stepping on board a third shuttle with a name such as the U.S.S. Jimmy Carter.

"One good thing about this," I told her. "We’ll probably never have a shuttle or other American spaceship named after Bill or Hillary Clinton."

Nor should we. The Clinton Administration did more than gut America’s defense budgets and devastate our military as no foreign enemy has ever done, tempting terrorists to exploit our weakness.

Presidents Bill and Hillary did more than choke off America’s intelligence budget, greatly reducing our ability to detect what potential enemies were preparing to do to our World Trade Center and Pentagon. Bill and Hillary Clinton deserve a large share of responsibility for the destruction of the World Trade Center and the deaths of more than 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001.

The Clintons also targeted NASA, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, for massive budget cuts. They left our space program so damaged that American companies turned instead to Communist China to launch their satellites – and in the process apparently transferred vast amounts of classified rocket technology know-how to China’s ruling Red Army.

Communist China thereafter, of course, rewarded the Clintons by buying America’s Democratic Party with many brown paper bags filled with millions of dollars in cash. Today, as a result, we should regard the Democrats no longer as an "American" political party, but as the wholly-owned subsidiary of a foreign power.

But what share of blame should the Clintons bear for Saturday’s tragic loss of space shuttle Columbia and its brave crew?

By 1995 the Federal Government’s General Accounting Office (GAO) had begun what would be repeated warnings that Draconian Clinton cuts in NASA’s shuttle workforce budget could pose risks by overworking those who maintain, repair and fly the shuttle fleet. GAO noted a serious lack of needed NASA shuttle professionals in avionics, mechanical engineering and computer systems.

"The shuttle requires an awful lot of nursing," warned Charles Vick, space analyst for the Federation of American Scientists, noting that the GAO "says the potential for failure is still staring us in the face."

In the Clintons’ and Vice President Al Gore’s eagerness to cut America’s muscle at NASA so that taxpayer money could be redistributed to buy Democratic votes, the shuttle program plummeted from 3,000 federal workers in 1995 to only 1,800 in early 2000, when NASA’s hemorrhage was put on hold lest it become an election issue against Gore and the Democratic Party.

Under Clinton management, shuttle missions slowed to a trickle….except when one was needed to bribe Ohio Senator and former astronaut John Glenn with a free ride back into space as payment for Glenn’s obstruction of Senate investigation and impeachment proceedings against President Clinton. Defective missions to Mars and the Moon were evidence of the mess created at NASA by Clinton operatives and policies.

Since Clinton’s departure, the damage left in his wake is taking time to repair. NASA’s accounting of taxpayer money was left in a "shambles," almost impossible to audit by either GAO or the private auditing firm PriceWaterhouseCoopers because NASA officials from the Clinton days have not provided auditors with needed documentation.

The International Space Station (ISS), where three space pioneers remain at risk as this is written, cost U.S. taxpayers at least $35 billion more than promised – despite Clinton Administration reductions in its proposed size and capacity that make the current space station unable to house most of the tools to do what scientists wanted it for.

Under the Clinton Administration, the Space Station became a black hole for money, sucking it not only out of taxpayer pockets but also out of the budgets of many other NASA missions and, the GAO has continued to warn, out of the budget to keep the space shuttle operating safely. Clinton NASA budget numbers for the ISS proved to be "not credible."

Were the Clintons in significant measure responsible for the downfall of both Shuttle Columbia and, in a larger sense, NASA? Yes. The apparent Clinton agenda was to weaken all those things that made America strong.

Ironically, NASA should be downsized – or, better, completely privatized. NASA, despite the dedication and heroic efforts of thousands of its workers and astronauts, is a socialist institution. The wonder is that the Clintons did not love it more.

By its very nature, NASA monopolization of space for government is a violation of the deepest pioneering, free enterprise values of America.

What sane person wants to see the Moon, Mars – indeed the whole human future as we migrate into outer space – undertaken on NASA’s socialist model?

Russia, with its eagerness to sell private tourist tickets to the Space Station, has been more capitalistic than has America. NASA has tried to allocate space bureaucratically and politically, with precious shuttle seats given over the years to key lawmakers such as Senator Jake Garn (R.-Utah), now-Senator Bill Nelson (D.-Fla.) and Senator John Glenn (D.-Ohio). This column has discussed NASA’s socialism regarding both the Space Station and the future of the Moon and Mars.

As to the courageous astronauts who lost their lives Saturday aboard Columbia – could they have been victims of attack or terrorism? One of these heroes was the first Israeli in space, who saved us all by taking part in Israel’s preemption of the French Osirak nuclear reactor being built near Baghdad in 1981. This seems highly unlikely. In theory, however, heat-shield tiles on the underside of the Space Shuttle might have been tampered with.

And in theory, at least one foreign nation has weaponry that could have struck the Shuttle 200,000 feet above the Earth. This is Communist China, which has developed giant laser cannon designed to destroy or blind American military satellites, including the Global Positioning Satellites whose signals are now used to direct our cruise missiles to their targets. While a visible light beam from such cannon – fired from, e.g., a Chinese Cosco cargo ship along the West Coast – might be seen or photographed, the lasing technique can also be used to generate powerful beams of invisible energy such as microwaves. But the Peoples Republic of China has little or no motive – and certainly no reason to risk being detected – in this case.

The likely explanation is the one on which scientists are already focusing: that a corrupted left wing led to Columbia’s destruction. (Historians may someday find that the same thing destroyed America’s great, free eagle.)

As to these seven heroes, how best can we honor them? Such pioneers have always been the best among us. We should honor them by continuing and expanding space exploration, and by freeing it from government monopoly.

In the wake of Challenger’s explosion, we honored those seven astronauts by naming a "planet" for each of them – a memorial that will last many thousands of years wherever humans retain the current global naming system. These "planets" were seven asteroids circling the sun in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. The seven heroes of Columbia deserve the same long-lasting memorial – in global records and in our hearts.

President Bush seemed to say as much by quoting the Bible’s Book of Isaiah: "Lift your eyes and look to the heavens. Who created all these? He who brings out the starry hosts one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing."



http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5926
 
I can't believe no one has mentioned the obvious yet.... UFOs.
Either they shot it down with one of their quark/anti-matter particle torpedos or the Columbia just passed through their fission wake turbulent backwash and destabilized.

Its quite obvious really.
 
See what I mean...?

BTW, you forgot to mention that the Black Plague, the Spanish Inquisition, and the bugging of the Democratic Headquarters were all the Clintons' fault as well.

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BTW, you forgot to mention that the Black Plague, the Spanish Inquisition, and the bugging of the Democratic Headquarters were all the Clintons' fault as well.

Why state the obvious?:what:;)
 
Well I heard that on board was proof that 98% of all cancer-related deaths were attributed to nuclear testing not eating bananas and that the US government owed all of us some fat cash.
 
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