Published velocities are not always accurate. Some are pretty close and some are way off. You can argue "math says this one is better" all day long. Only time will tell if the .40 is as good as the .45. You cant argue with 100 years of the .45 getting the job done. If you want to you could add some more years to that with the effectiveness of the .45 colt. No other handgun cartridge can top that as of yet.
Yeah, except 40 S&W can't even push 200 grain bullets, not to mention 230s. 45 ACP also does the work at much lower pressures. Speer's factory 200 grain 45 ACP +P Gold Dot loading is within 50 fps over Cor-Bon's 200 grain JSP 10mm loading, again at significantly lower pressures. Good try though.
Never said a 45 is not an effective round...however my intention was not to transform this thread in a 40 Vs. 45 debate...really...so fortyfive lovers calm down and consider the thread for what it is..a tongue in cheek thing to have fun...chill out...read my humor at the end of my lines....
How many 5" Bbl. .40 S&W Platform models do you find
compared to so many that are shorter since they're
built for 9mm size magazine wells?
I do not dispute personal preferences but from a purely energy figures, "cold" numbers", it is true.
More flawed logic in the OP than I have time to critique.
There are too many other more important factors that you are overlooking, like penetration, bullet mass, etc., etc. Energy quotes are helpful when comparing loads within a caliber, or for different calibers that have the same projectile weight, but you aren't really making that sort of comparison here, since the .40 is almost always lighter than the .45 ACP.
I'll keep the momentum of the 230 gr. .45 ACP
...a 180 gr. .40 slug has the same SD of a 230 gr. 45 slug so, assuming the same bullet construction, the 40 will penetrate more because of its reduced frontal area...
Launch Winchester's ballistic comparison tool here - http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/testing/testing.aspx# - and tell me momentum means nothing. All three .45 ACP loadings meet or exceed FBI minimum penetration against every barrier, and do so with massive expansion at very moderate velocities. The two .40 S&W bonded loadings best the 45s in penetration on a couple barriers, but when they do the expansion isn't there. Those 40 S&W loads are also pushing the bullets at significantly higher velocities.Momentum alone doesn't mean nothing...big bullets proponents will never ever understand that unfortunately...
Launch Winchester's ballistic comparison tool here - http://www.winchester.com/lawenforce.../testing.aspx# - and tell me momentum means nothing. All three .45 ACP loadings meet or exceed FBI minimum penetration against every barrier, and do so with massive expansion at very moderate velocities. The two .40 S&W bonded loadings best the 45s in penetration on a couple barriers, but when they do the expansion isn't there. Those 40 S&W loads are also pushing the bullets at significantly higher velocities.
9mm +p defensive ammo runs 124@1250+ .357 defensive ammo runs 125@1400+. That's not that much of a difference. It's sure a far cry from 125gr loads from BB, Double Tap, or hand loads which push closer 1700fps or more. Relatively speaking those 9mm loads are only a bit behind the .357 loads.Not really...no ammo company load for the 357, no matter how weak, is remotely close to a 9 mm....
That .40 S&W load is for Hornady XTPs. The .45 ACP load is for Lead Flat Points.180 gr.
45 ACP: 1047 fps
40 S&W: 1159
And that data is XTP for the .40 and Cast LSWC for the .45155 gr.
45 ACP: 1135 fps
40 S&W: 1283 fps
A. That's not what he said. B. You're dreaming if you think the .40 S&W can get anywhere close to the .45 in 200gr loads.You are simply dreaming if you think that the Speer 200 grain 45 ACP +P can get even close to a real full SAAMI spec 10 mm load
Don't try and back track now. What you said was that by the cold, hard numbers the .40 S&W was MORE powerful than the 45acp. No one is arguing about capacity or form factor. This was a blatantly false statement, not a statement of personal preference.I just said that IMHO and it just my opinion, the 40 S&W is a more logic choiuce compared to the 45 ACP because of the form factor and the significantl;y increased magazine capacity..again FOR ME....
That's cause nobody's buying 357 sig ammoOh and I can find ammo for the sig anywhere cant say the same for the 40
Don't try and back track now. What you said was that by the cold, hard numbers the .40 S&W was MORE powerful than the 45acp. No one is arguing about capacity or form factor. This was a blatantly false statement, not a statement of personal preference.
Also your never going to get a 9mm into the size of a gun you can get .25, .32 or a .380.