Concealed carry in a bar in Illinos

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In Illinois if a bar makes more selling food than they do selling liquor you can legally carry concealed there. Had a conversation with the husband of the owner of my local bar. Apparently they sell more food than liquor, which I did not know, so concealed carry would be legal there. They do not post a sign forbidding concealed carry. His understanding that if a bar has no sign, concealed carry is legal there. Since there is no way for me to tell what percentage of a bar's business is food, it makes sense. Thoughts?
 
www.handgun.us says this for Illinois:

Section 65- Prohibited places:
9)
Any building, real property, and parking
area under the control of an establishment that serves
alcohol on its premises, if more than 50% of the establishment's gross receipts within the prior 3
months is from the sale of alcohol. The owner of an establishment who knowingly fails to prohibit
concealed firearms on its premises as provided in this paragraph or who knowingly makes a false
statement or record to avoid the prohibition on concealed firearms under this paragraph is subject to the
penalty under subsection (c
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5) of Section 10
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1 of the
Liquor Control Act of 1934.
 
So the monkey is on the back of the owner? Interesting. So by not posting a no gun sign they are allowing concealed carry? Thereby the guy carrying is in the clear. This could be a nightmare for a place where the percentage fluctuates over and under 50% food sales.
 
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That's how my understanding of the law in missouri as works well. However, using common sense should still override all. If im in a bar, I am there to have a few beers and wouldn't carry. If I'm in a restaurant and there to eat I would.

Missouri law is pretty shady as well because there isn't a defined limit to "intoxication" while armed. I would prefer to not be the basis of case law.


HB
 
It`s up to the "Gun owner" to know the laws. Just saying, somebody told me " not going to fly.


Red Wind.......Seems to have posted the ....FACTS>
 
hat's how my understanding of the law in missouri as works well. However, using common sense should still override all. If im in a bar, I am there to have a few beers and wouldn't carry. If I'm in a restaurant and there to eat I would.
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I think you are responding to the OP and not red wind, but just to be clear in Missouri the onus is not on the bar owner to prohibit carry when they hit the magic 50% number. But use common sense is it a restaurant with a liqour license or is it a crummy dive bar that has a freezer full of food that they'll begrudgingly thaw out for you if ask nicely?
 
Most chain places like Applebee's, Chili's etc., all derive more from food than booze. Local spots can be iffy, but if I see more restaurant tables than bar stools, then I am figuring food is predominant.
 
I can see what they are trying to do in separating bars that sell french fries from restaurants that sell beer and wine, but they make it unnecessarily complicated with the 50% thing. It would appear that in IL, the establishment is required to post if they hit the 50% mark, so if they are borderline, they would probably just post all the time. I doubt many are borderline.

In Ohio you can carry in any unposted establishment serving alcohol, but you cannot consume ANY, if you are carrying. A lot simpler.
 
TimSr said:
I can see what they are trying to do in separating bars that sell french fries from restaurants that sell beer and wine, but they make it unnecessarily complicated with the 50% thing. It would appear that in IL, the establishment is required to post if they hit the 50% mark, so if they are borderline, they would probably just post all the time. I doubt many are borderline.

In Ohio you can carry in any unposted establishment serving alcohol, but you cannot consume ANY, if you are carrying. A lot simpler.
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Same here in VA, and I haven't heard of any CPL holders getting drunk and going on a shooting spree even though that's exactly what the antis promised us would happen all across the Commonwealth before the law was changed. How about in Ohio?
 
Kingcreek said:
The Illinois CCW law is poorly written and unnecessarily complicated.
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Thats description fits the majority of legislation in the country, both state and federal I think. If the government is involved, don't expect it to be logical.
 
Same here in VA, and I haven't heard of any CPL holders getting drunk and going on a shooting spree even though that's exactly what the antis promised us would happen all across the Commonwealth before the law was changed. How about in Ohio?
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When this change was being made, all I heard was "alcohol and firearms don't mix" to which I would say "I agree, but what's that got to do with anything?"

Everybody i know with a CCW is so paranoid about the state finding an excuse to take it, that they not only won't drink, but are careful not breath alcohol fumes.
 
2 points....

2 important points;
Most places that serve alcoholic beverages & food make most profits from the sale of drinks(alcohol) not food.
This includes the "chain" or restaurants like Hooters, Applebees, Chili's, Red Lobster, The Cheesecake Factory, TGIFridays, etc.

My other point is to put the burden on how or what an establishment is or how much they sell of any item on the CCW license/permit holder is kinda stupid.
:rolleyes:
The gun owner or CCW license owner can't dictate what or how much alcohol/beverages is sold nor can they say to who(unless it's a person under 21 years old in most places).

My state has the right idea, :D , it says you can conceal a loaded firearm in a restaurant or place that serves liquor as well has food as long as you do not sit or stand in the bar area.
You can eat or socialize all day if you want, you just can't drink or hang out in the bar section.
It's a topic that comes up on gun forums a lot, but I wouldn't drink alcohol or beer then CCW a weapon anyways. This may slow down your reflexes or impair your judgement. I also wouldn't permit loaded firearms or weapons in my bar even if it were legal.
Fights, NDs and mishaps could make big problems for a bar or restaurant owner.
Rusty
 
Most places that serve alcoholic beverages & food make most profits from the sale of drinks(alcohol) not food.
This includes the "chain" or restaurants like Hooters, Applebees, Chili's, Red Lobster, The Cheesecake Factory, TGIFridays, etc.
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The IL law quoted says "gross receipts" not "profits".

You are right though. Even McDonalds makes more profit off the fountain drink than the food.
 
Thanks...

Thanks for the clarification...
I can't speak for all areas of the USA but in my zip code, most of the local night clubs & chain places sell drinks that are not cheap, :uhoh: .
Beers are $3-5.00 & mixed drinks run about $5-$8.00 each.
I'm to cheap, I mean frugal :D to hang out in these places.

RS
 
Most places that serve alcoholic beverages & food make most profits from the sale of drinks(alcohol) not food.
This includes the "chain" or restaurants like Hooters, Applebees, Chili's, Red Lobster, The Cheesecake Factory, TGIFridays, etc.
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Absolutely FALSE - they may make more PROFITS from the sale of alcohol, but not as total of sales.
 
oneounceload said:
they may make more PROFITS from the sale of alcohol, but not as total of sales.
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Not to add to any fire :D but this is an important point in Florida. The Outback that I weekly frequent for Happy Hour has a separate bar.

But the vast majority of patrons at the bar are eating large quantities of food with perhaps a max of 2 drinks. No doubt in the world the total sales come mainly from food. I've asked the owner and she concurs completely.

So, since in Florida, you can eat and drink under the 50% rule, and I never have more than 2 drinks, I sit at the bar for 2 hours. There's slow, then there's Nebraska! :)

By the time I leave, I'm at about 0% BAC. ;)
 
Adults....

You can choose to drink or consume alcoholic beverages where legal if you want, but I still wouldn't mix drinking & guns.
FWIW; most gun owner's manuals advise not to drink alcohol or take medications that could cause bad side effects then carry or use the firearm.
Also, even if you drank 1/2 drinks or beers then leave a bar or club hours later, if you have a critical incident(lethal force) the police, the local media or a prosecutor(DA's office investigator) would check on your recent actions then uncover your drinking. :uhoh:

Rusty
 
The way I see it is the gun laws should be like car laws where drivers aren't assumed to be guilty or that they can't control themselves. There's no law that states that you can not go to an establishment that sells 50% or more alcohol unless you did not drive there yourself and that you do not at any time have car keys in your possession. Just because I'm armed in a bar does not definitively equate to me mixing guns and alcohol. There are also a few states that allow CCL holders to be at bars as long as they do not drink, and as far as I know, there has never been a problem.
 
I advocate carry everywhere. Conceal totally. Better to get caught carrying than get caught not carrying.
 
Having taught the Commercial Drivers License (CDL) course to hundreds of my fellow bureaucrats :D at the City of xxxxx, Florida, from 1991 to 1993, I realize the importance of Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) without even mixing in the firearms factor.

The Omnibus Bill went into effect on October 1,1991 and probably is here to stay.

With a CDL, it's .04, and without (in Florida) it's .08. So, instructors were urged to emphasize this most crucial fact.

We all have our limitations and have to strive to stay within them. Particularly with our lives and futures on the line, CDL or not.

Stay safe out there. I plagiarized that from Hill Street Blues, a very cool cop show. :cool:
 
HB said:
That's how my understanding of the law in missouri as works well. However, using common sense should still override all. If im in a bar, I am there to have a few beers and wouldn't carry. If I'm in a restaurant and there to eat I would.

Missouri law is pretty shady as well because there isn't a defined limit to "intoxication" while armed. I would prefer to not be the basis of case law.


HB
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I think MO also requires permission from the owner, assuming they meet the food/alcohol part?

Russellc
 
In Kolorado you can carry in a bar, But you better not drink, So its kind of like designated driver if out with friends the guy who is carrying IN the bar does not drink. The rest leave their guns in the car. Beware the guy drinking Sweet Tea,
 
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