conealed/open carry rifles?

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I have been wondering recently, if someone has a CCW is it just limited to handguns or does it allow any kind of firearm? Or does it just depend on which state you live in?
 
By all technicality, in PA, you could walk around openly carrying a rifle if you wanted. Not to say it's a good idea, and would get you hassled, but there's no law against it, per se.
 
Depends on the state. For instance, Texas allows rifles (loaded or unloaded, concealed or unconcealed) to be carried around nearly anywhere (except the usual suspects - schools, courthouses, etc). Handguns are a whole different ballgame.
 
As stated in another thread: Kansas is open carry. Localized laws prohibiting open carry with have verbiage such as "firearm" or "pistol, revolver, or handgun". Letter of the law and court precedents decide the details.


Here is KS Statute:
21-4204
Chapter 21.--CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
PART II.--PROHIBITED CONDUCT
Article 42.--CRIMES AGAINST THE PUBLIC SAFETY

21-4204. Criminal possession of a firearm. (a) Criminal possession of a firearm is:

(1) Possession of any firearm by a person who is both addicted to and an unlawful user of a controlled substance;

(2) possession of any firearm by a person who has been convicted of a person felony or a violation of any provision of the uniform controlled substances act under the laws of Kansas or a crime under a law of another jurisdiction which is substantially the same as such felony or violation, or was adjudicated a juvenile offender because of the commission of an act which if done by an adult would constitute the commission of a person felony or a violation of any provision of the uniform controlled substances act, and was found to have been in possession of a firearm at the time of the commission of the offense;

(3) possession of any firearm by a person who, within the preceding five years has been convicted of a felony, other than those specified in subsection (a)(4)(A), under the laws of Kansas or a crime under a law of another jurisdiction which is substantially the same as such felony, has been released from imprisonment for a felony or was adjudicated as a juvenile offender because of the commission of an act which if done by an adult would constitute the commission of a felony, and was found not to have been in possession of a firearm at the time of the commission of the offense;

(4) possession of any firearm by a person who, within the preceding 10 years, has been convicted of: (A) A felony under K.S.A. 21-3401, 21-3402, 21-3403, 21-3404, 21-3410, 21-3411, 21-3414, 21-3415, 21-3419, 21-3420, 21-3421, 21-3427, 21-3502, 21-3506, 21-3518, 21-3716, 65-4127a or 65-4127b, or 65-4160 through 65-4164 or K.S.A. 2006 Supp. 21-3442, and amendments thereto, or a crime under a law of another jurisdiction which is substantially the same as such felony, has been released from imprisonment for such felony, or was adjudicated as a juvenile offender because of the commission of an act which if done by an adult would constitute the commission of such felony, was found not to have been in possession of a firearm at the time of the commission of the offense, and has not had the conviction of such crime expunged or been pardoned for such crime; or (B) a nonperson felony under the laws of Kansas or a crime under the laws of another jurisdiction which is substantially the same as such nonperson felony, has been released from imprisonment for such nonperson felony or was adjudicated as a juvenile offender because of the commission of an act which if done by an adult would constitute the commission of a nonperson felony, and was found to have been in possession of a firearm at the time of the commission of the offense;

(5) possession of any firearm by any person, other than a law enforcement officer, in or on any school property or grounds upon which is located a building or structure used by a unified school district or an accredited nonpublic school for student instruction or attendance or extracurricular activities of pupils enrolled in kindergarten or any of the grades 1 through 12 or at any regularly scheduled school sponsored activity or event;

(6) refusal to surrender or immediately remove from school property or grounds or at any regularly scheduled school sponsored activity or event any firearm in the possession of any person, other than a law enforcement officer, when so requested or directed by any duly authorized school employee or any law enforcement officer; or

(7) possession of any firearm by a person who is or has been a mentally ill person subject to involuntary commitment for care and treatment, as defined in K.S.A. 59-2946, and amendments thereto, or persons with an alcohol or substance abuse problem subject to involuntary commitment for care and treatment as defined in K.S.A. 59-29b46, and amendments thereto.

(b) Subsection (a)(5) shall not apply to:

(1) Possession of any firearm in connection with a firearms safety course of instruction or firearms education course approved and authorized by the school;

(2) any possession of any firearm specifically authorized in writing by the superintendent of any unified school district or the chief administrator of any accredited nonpublic school;

(3) possession of a firearm secured in a motor vehicle by a parent, guardian, custodian or someone authorized to act in such person's behalf who is delivering or collecting a student; or

(4) possession of a firearm secured in a motor vehicle by a registered voter who is on the school grounds, which contain a polling place for the purpose of voting during polling hours on an election day.

(c) Subsection (a)(7) shall not apply to a person who has received a certificate of restoration pursuant to K.S.A. 2006 Supp. 75-7c26, and amendments thereto.

(d) Violation of subsection (a)(1) or (a)(5) is a class B nonperson select misdemeanor; violation of subsection (a)(2), (a)(3), (a)(4) or (a)(7) is a severity level 8, nonperson felony; violation of subsection (a)(6) is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4204; L. 1970, ch. 124, § 8; L. 1990, ch. 102, § 2; L. 1991, ch. 85, § 1; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 70; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 149; L. 1994, ch. 348, § 4; L. 1995, ch. 92, § 2; L. 1996, ch. 158, § 4; L. 2006, ch. 210, § 14; Jan. 1, 2007.
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And weapons:

21-4201
Chapter 21.--CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
PART II.--PROHIBITED CONDUCT
Article 42.--CRIMES AGAINST THE PUBLIC SAFETY

21-4201. Criminal use of weapons. (a) Criminal use of weapons is knowingly:

(1) Selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying any bludgeon, sandclub, metal knuckles or throwing star, or any knife, commonly referred to as a switch-blade, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife, or any knife having a blade that opens or falls or is ejected into position by the force of gravity or by an outward, downward or centrifugal thrust or movement;

(2) carrying concealed on one's person, or possessing with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, a dagger, dirk, billy, blackjack, slungshot, dangerous knife, straight-edged razor, stiletto or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character, except that an ordinary pocket knife with no blade more than four inches in length shall not be construed to be a dangerous knife, or a dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument;

(3) carrying on one's person or in any land, water or air vehicle, with intent to use the same unlawfully, a tear gas or smoke bomb or projector or any object containing a noxious liquid, gas or substance;

(4) carrying any pistol, revolver or other firearm concealed on one's person except when on the person's land or in the person's abode or fixed place of business;

(5) setting a spring gun;

(6) possessing any device or attachment of any kind designed, used or intended for use in suppressing the report of any firearm;

(7) selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying a shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches in length or any other firearm designed to discharge or capable of discharging automatically more than once by a single function of the trigger; or

(8) possessing, manufacturing, causing to be manufactured, selling, offering for sale, lending, purchasing or giving away any cartridge which can be fired by a handgun and which has a plastic-coated bullet that has a core of less than 60% lead by weight.

(b) Subsections (a)(1), (2), (3), (4) and (7) shall not apply to or affect any of the following:

(1) Law enforcement officers, or any person summoned by any such officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while actually engaged in assisting such officer;

(2) wardens, superintendents, directors, security personnel and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other institutions for the detention of persons accused or convicted of crime, while acting within the scope of their authority;

(3) members of the armed services or reserve forces of the United States or the Kansas national guard while in the performance of their official duty; or

(4) manufacture of, transportation to, or sale of weapons to a person authorized under subsections (b)(1), (2) and (3) to possess such weapons.

(c) Subsection (a)(4) shall not apply to or affect the following:

(1) Watchmen, while actually engaged in the performance of the duties of their employment;

(2) licensed hunters or fishermen, while engaged in hunting or fishing;

(3) private detectives licensed by the state to carry the firearm involved, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment;

(4) detectives or special agents regularly employed by railroad companies or other corporations to perform full-time security or investigative service, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment;

(5) the state fire marshal, the state fire marshal's deputies or any member of a fire department authorized to carry a firearm pursuant to K.S.A. 31-157 and amendments thereto, while engaged in an investigation in which such fire marshal, deputy or member is authorized to carry a firearm pursuant to K.S.A. 31-157 and amendments thereto; or

(6) special deputy sheriffs described in K.S.A. 2006 Supp. 19-827, and amendments thereto, who have satisfactorily completed the basic course of instruction required for permanent appointment as a part-time law enforcement officer under K.S.A. 74-5607a and amendments thereto.

(d) Subsections (a)(1), (6) and (7) shall not apply to any person who sells, purchases, possesses or carries a firearm, device or attachment which has been rendered unserviceable by steel weld in the chamber and marriage weld of the barrel to the receiver and which has been registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record in compliance with 26 U.S.C. 5841 et seq. in the name of such person and, if such person transfers such firearm, device or attachment to another person, has been so registered in the transferee's name by the transferor.

(e) Subsection (a)(8) shall not apply to a governmental laboratory or solid plastic bullets.

(f) Subsection (a)(6) shall not apply to a law enforcement officer who is:

(1) Assigned by the head of such officer's law enforcement agency to a tactical unit which receives specialized, regular training;

(2) designated by the head of such officer's law enforcement agency to possess devices described in subsection (a)(6); and

(3) in possession of commercially manufactured devices which are: (A) Owned by the law enforcement agency; (B) in such officer's possession only during specific operations; and (C) approved by the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives of the United States department of justice.

(g) Subsections (a)(6), (7) and (8) shall not apply to any person employed by a laboratory which is certified by the United States department of justice, national institute of justice, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment and on the premises of such certified laboratory. Subsections (a)(6), (7) and (8) shall not affect the manufacture of, transportation to or sale of weapons to such certified laboratory.

(h) Subsection (a)(4) shall not apply to any person carrying a concealed weapon as authorized by K.S.A. 2006 Supp. 75-7c01 through 75-7c17, and amendments thereto.

(i) It shall be a defense that the defendant is within an exemption.

(j) Violation of subsections (a)(1) through (a)(5) is a class A nonperson misdemeanor. Violation of subsection (a)(6), (a)(7) or (a)(8) is a severity level 9, nonperson felony.

(k) As used in this section, "throwing star" means any instrument, without handles, consisting of a metal plate having three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges and designed in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star, diamond or other geometric shape, manufactured for use as a weapon for throwing.

History: L. 1969, ch. 180, § 21-4201; L. 1978, ch. 365, § 1; L. 1981, ch. 145, § 1; L. 1982, ch. 135, § 2; L. 1982, ch. 136, § 1; L. 1986, ch. 126, § 1; L. 1992, ch. 298, § 67; L. 1993, ch. 291, § 146; L. 1996, ch. 149, § 4; L. 1999, ch. 164, § 12; L. 2002, ch. 123, § 3; L. 2004, ch. 83, § 1; L. 2006, ch. 32, § 20; July 1.
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In Georgia the concealed carry permit covers all weapons; knives, guns, whatever a person wants to carry. I personally drive around in my truck with a shotgun in a gun rack. I have also heavily tinted the windows(2%) in my truck for privacy. This type of tint was formerly illegal until the GA Supreme Court overturned the law in 2005.

I remember that my uncle told me that he had a gun stolen from his truck so he didn't carry his in a gun rack anymore. I hope to avoid that problem as my tint is so dark that even in bright sunlight it's almost impossible to tell if the vehicle is occupied or not. This type of tint should be a necessary accessory to any gun owner who has to travel around a city like Atlanta and who prefers to carry a long gun as I do.
 
Given that state laws vary so widely, questions like this should be prefaced with which state is being addressed. Many states' CCW licenses are restricted to handguns only, while others are true concealed "weapons" licenses.

Posing an open-ended question as this thread does opens the door to at least 50 responses (48 if you ignore Wisconsin and Illinois).
 
Given that state laws vary so widely, questions like this should be prefaced with which state is being addressed. Many states' CCW licenses are restricted to handguns only, while others are true concealed "weapons" licenses.

Posing an open-ended question as this thread does opens the door to at least 50 responses (48 if you ignore Wisconsin and Illinois).
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Ok, since K5mitch already answered about Kansas, how about South Dakota? I am planning on moving there sometime during the summer.
 
I liked this thread so I resurrected it

In Oklahoma The Oklahoma Self defense Act limits a concealed weapon to three types of handguns: D = Derringer, R = Revolver, and S= Semi Automatic.

Before I took my permit class I was instructed to borrow an automatic if I didn't own one (which I did/do, actually own all three types). The reason for this being, if you take the class with a Derringer your permit limits you to carry a Derringer. If you take it with a Revolver you may carry a Revolver and/or a Derringer and etc.
The back of my permit lists the "Authorized Gun Types"

When my father took his permit class a man was actually taking it with a Derringer. Forget the limitation of what you can carry in the future, the loon had to put an entire box of ammuntion down range two rounds at a time. My dad over heard him talking about his "1911" during a break too. Not the sharpest crayon if you ask me.
 
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this is an interesting topic. obviously, the law is going to vary by state.

an interesting example is the state of Maine. their concealed weapons license covers long guns too.

some states just have "rights" provisions which recognize your right to walk around with a long gun.

question is ... how would you practically conceal a full-size rifle? would like weird wearing a trenchcoat in 103 degree heat in august. :evil:
 
MN law has an exemption on the prohibition on the carry of long arms in public for permit holders. It also doesn't make any mention of concealment.

From 624.7181:
(b) "Carry" does not include:
...
(3) the carrying of a BB gun, rifle, or shotgun by a person who has a permit under section
624.714;
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Not sure if I'd want to try carrying a rifle concealed all day, though.
 
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You should be careful when OCing a rifle:

1. Many state preemption laws only apply to handguns, and localities in those states sometimes have restrictions on rifles.

2. Regardless of its legality, you will probably get to spend the night at the police station and pay hefty legal fees.
 
an interesting example is the state of Maine. their concealed weapons license covers long guns too.
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Actually , it's a "concealed firearms permit" . There hasn't been anyone yet that has tested the waters as far as carrying a concealed rifle . But if you look at the definition of "firearm" (per state of maine) , you could carry a concealed long gun if you have the state permit .
 
In Alabama it's only a 'Pistol Permit'. The only thing you are allowed to conceal with it is a pistol.

No matter what a long-arm must be unconcealed. One snag is that the preemption laws only preempt handguns. It's possible that a locality could pass laws prohibiting long-arm carry. I don't know of any that do, but it's quite possible.
 
How would one conceivably conceal a non-NFA shotgun or rifle?
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Keep it under the seat of your vehicle, have it under a jacket or blanket on your seat, otherwise have it readily accessible, but not visible.

This was covered in my CCL class. NC has a CCL for handguns only. I can carry any kind of concealed handgun I want. I can carry multiple handguns concealed. However, there is no legal way to conceal a long gun in NC.

This can be a real issue when keeping a long gun in a vehicle in NC. Sure, you can put a shotgun rack in your pickup truck. But if you have a load in the bed that blocks the rear window, or if you have a cap on the truck, you could be illegally concealing a weapon. If you have a long gun in the cargo area of your SUV and someone is sitting in the back seat, you could have a problem. Of course, this is all up to interpretation and the attitude of the arresting officer.
 
I'd love to see a case where someone was prosecuted for 'concealing' a rifle in a rifle rack! :rolleyes:
 
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