Costco Bans firearms?

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Lost surveillance tapes?
Good grief, did you even try to find legitimate sources, or just decide to believe the first tinhatted nonsense you could find?

The was no conspiracy to hide, destroy, lose, etc the security camera footage. It had malfunctioned two days BEFORE the shooting, and Costco had notified the company that managed their security system that it wasn't working properly. Specifically they were not getting any recordings from the camera that covered the area of the shooting. So unless you believe that Costco reported a problem with the system to the company that managed their system two days BEFORE the shooting so that they could lure Erik Scott in there, and then trick the police into shooting him, there was NO conspiracy to hide, destroy, lose, etc, the footage.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/23/erik-scott-day2/#axzz2XlRWTaar

Here are the facts. Scott had been abusing prescription narcotics, and other narcotics. A Costco employee observed him behaving in a way that made them believe he was intoxicated. A Costco employee saw him destroying merchandise packaging, and in possession of a handgun. He was asked to leave, refused to leave and became belligerent. When confronted by the police rather than act in a non-threatening manner he moved for his gun. After presenting an imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death, officers used lethal force to stop the threat. Those are the facts.
 
Yeah, the guy brought this upon himself it seems or at least that's all we can go off as there is no evidence other than what the wanna be cop witness said. Still on topic, why are only police allowed to shoot somebody in the back when they are on the ground? Is that to make sure they are extra dead?

Regardless, still no reason to shop there as they don't want any of us in there anyway. I bet Bloomberg loves the place though.
 
Do you have any rational comments on this topic? There was a lot more than just what one witness said that was evidence in this incident.

Regardless, whether or not someone is shot in the back, standing, sitting, kneeling, lying down, are not what determines whether it's a justified shoot or not. What determines a justified shoot, is whether at the time the person (cop or not) used lethal force, was the person who was shot at creating what a reasonable objective person would perceive to be an imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death to the shooter or others.

Someone who has their back to the shooter can be presenting a such a threat to someone else, and shots to the back are justified. Someone lying down can also.
 
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DMF, your statements are spot on.
Silicosys4, please don't use terms like "wrongfully shooting" when they are not true. There was an inquest and it was determined to be a valid shooting. Unfortunate, but justified. End of story.
I live in Las Vegas where this happened. The inquest process here is a joke. Following this particular inquest the inquest process was supposed to be looked at and changed due to public outcry, nothing serious about it was changed. The family's attorneys were not even allowed to cross examine witnesses. Lets just say that here in Las Vegas, LVMD has a reputation.

From the article you posted.
Sisolak said he plans on proposing several changes, including obligating family lawyers to turn over any witnesses who can testify to what happened.

Commissioners also should consider removing the verdict from the process and focusing on fact finding. After determining the facts, county prosecutors should make the decision on whether to press criminal charges against an officer, he said.

Maggie McLetchie, staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada, said she expected the justified verdict in Scott's death. She called the process a "fraud."

"People just expect the police officers to get vindicated," McLetchie said. "Nobody has confidence in the system anymore."

Back on topic, I know that before the shooting at one of our Costcos there was NO sign posted. I have not been to a Costco since then, but I have heard that the Costco stores in Vegas do now have signs posted prohibiting firearms. I choose to shop at Sam's Club, their sister store(Walmart) sells guns and ammo so they are good with me.
 
Good grief, did you even try to find legitimate sources, or just decide to believe the first tinhatted nonsense you could find?

The was no conspiracy to hide, destroy, lose, etc the security camera footage. It had malfunctioned two days BEFORE the shooting, and Costco had notified the company that managed their security system that it wasn't working properly. Specifically they were not getting any recordings from the camera that covered the area of the shooting. So unless you believe that Costco reported a problem with the system to the company that managed their system two days BEFORE the shooting so that they could lure Erik Scott in there, and then trick the police into shooting him, there was NO conspiracy to hide, destroy, lose, etc, the footage.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/23/erik-scott-day2/#axzz2XlRWTaar

Here are the facts. Scott had been abusing prescription narcotics, and other narcotics. A Costco employee observed him behaving in a way that made them believe he was intoxicated. A Costco employee saw him destroying merchandise packaging, and in possession of a handgun. He was asked to leave, refused to leave and became belligerent. When confronted by the police rather than act in a non-threatening manner he moved for his gun. After presenting an imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death, officers used lethal force to stop the threat. Those are the facts.
Those are the facts as metro would like for you to believe. I lived in Vegas when that happened. The other story is probably stretched pretty thin too. The truth is somewhere in the middle I am sure.

And the reutation of the police in Vegas is, how do I say this, it is well deserved.
 
Do you have any rational comments on this topic? There was a lot more than just what one witness said that was evidence in this incident.

Regardless, whether or not someone is shot in the back, standing, sitting, kneeling, lying down, are not what determines whether it's a justified shoot or not. What determines a justified shoot, is whether at the time the person (cop or not) used lethal force, was the person who was shot at creating what a reasonable objective person would perceive to be an imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death to the shooter or others.

Someone who has their back to the shooter can be presenting a such a threat to someone else, and shots to the back are justified. Someone lying down can also.
do you really think shooting someone 4 times in the back is good police work. your type would be the most vocal against police if it was one of your family
 
Those are the facts as metro would like for you to believe. I lived in Vegas when that happened. The other story is probably stretched pretty thin too. The truth is somewhere in the middle I am sure.

And the reutation of the police in Vegas is, how do I say this, it is well deserved.

Exactly, if you live in Las Vegas, you know that you can't take anything coming from Metro at face value. This is one of many incidents.
 
Costco is the one place I can list off the top of my head where a legally concealed weapon initiated a call from an employee to the police because they spotted his CCW. When the police confronted the person who was LEGALLY carrying their CCW in the parking lot of Costco, they ended up wrongfully shooting him to death.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunned-down-in-vegas-what-really-happened-to-erik-scott/

Mr. Scott did several things wrong that day, but Costco appears to be pretty dang anti-carry...or at least the responding police were.

"A Costco employee saw the holstered sidearm and told Scott he was not allowed to have the weapon in the store. Scott replied that he had a permit and the right to carry his weapon. He then went back to shopping. The employee called over a manager, who informed a 20-something security guard, who made a 911 call to police."

"As the police began to form a massive perimeter outside, Costco managers began evacuating the entire store without apparently explaining why to anyone. As Scott and his girlfriend exited the store he was identified to police officers, who were waiting with guns drawn outside the front door."

"Erik turned to find three officers facing him, guns drawn, and all three shouting different commands: “Get on the ground!” “Drop your weapon!” “Keep your hands up!” Erik held his hands up, spoke calmly, told them he DID have a concealed firearm and a legal CCW and was an ex-Army officer. His girlfriend was screaming about Erik being a West Point grad, former Army officer, etc. Erik leaned to his left, hands still up, to expose the pistol, and repeated, “I am disarming; I am disarming.” Witnesses say he started to lower his right hand, palm OUT, perhaps intending to remove holster and gun together — but never got the hand below his shoulder, when one of the cops (believed to be William Mosher, who had committed a fatal shooting in 2006) shot Erik in the chest with a .45-caliber semi-automatic weapon. Erik dropped to his knees, clearly in shock, his face a picture of disbelief. He was shot a second time and collapsed. The rest is ugly. The three officers unloaded again, firing a total of seven hollow-point rounds. At least four, possibly five, hit Erik in the back, after he was on the ground and dying."
That's very sad. I hope the shooters got what they deserved.

So, not that I've been to a Costco since I was like 6, I'll add it to the mental list of places to boycott.
 
That's very sad. I hope the shooters got what they deserved.

So, not that I've been to a Costco since I was like 6, I'll add it to the mental list of places to boycott.
Two of the cops actually received awards for it. The third officer did not get awarded because after the Scott incident he was charged with a felony for selling a handgun to a two-time felon.
 
My state law specificly says that "no firearms" or "gun free zones" do not have force of law inless it is a school, courthouse, ect.. so good luck with Costco pusing that agenda inside the Commonwealth.
 
As far as I know there's no restriction against carrying in Alaska's Costcos. I go there all the time and have never had a problem.
 
Two of the cops actually received awards for it. The third officer did not get awarded because after the Scott incident he was charged with a felony for selling a handgun to a two-time felon.
An award for shooting a man down in front of his wife that was not resisting? What type of award do you get for this type of action? I would like to hear more about this...
 
An award for shooting a man down in front of his wife that was not resisting? What type of award do you get for this type of action? I would like to hear more about this...
Ask and you shall receive.

Las Vegas officers honored for 'heroic' Costco shooting
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/las-vegas-officers-honored-heroic-costco-shooting
Two Las Vegas police officers who shot and killed Erik Scott in the controversial Costco shooting last year have received honors in a national officer of the year award.

Officers William Mosher and Joshua Stark received honorable mention in the National Association of Police Organizations' Top Cops awards.

Forgive us in Las Vegas if we are a little disenfranchised.
 
I live in Vegas and VEGASAR15 is correct. It was very sad and very concerning. It made me not want to carry concealed. I read all the press and know some people in town who know more about it. To say it nicely would be that the police made a mistake to put it less nicely would be to say that he was just shot in the back while complying with Office's demands. I recall that multiple officers were screaming conflicting demands and gun was still in his holster. This is pretty common in Vegas for police to shoot unarmed or innocent people. Maybe common is not the right word, but it was happening a lot for awhile. There was one after another. I can remember the unarmed alleged drug dealer (might have choked him out), the Costco guy, the guy in the car (I think he was a vet). It got old because there were law suits and settlements, police asking for more taxes for more money and even talk that it could affect tourism. Not that the police don't do lots of good deeds, but they also tend to shoot/kill people more often than they should. Usually no ramifications in Vegas for bad shootings.

Costco absolutely does not want a repeat of this event.
 
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