CSPAN thread for Monday 03/01/04

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This isn't a game

"Ironbarr
What I like is how many new members have joined THR. Now call your sens/reps - cc your reps on senate emails.

I am a "New Member" due to my lack of posting articles and responses. To date I have made 21 phone calls to Washington DC regarding this one Bill.

Is that sufficent to get you off my back? Had you made a request, rather than demand that I call my Senator I wouldn't have taken such strong offense."

begging, bribes, requests, demands, threats, beat downs... whatever it takes calls must be made immediately. Whatever you can do to increase the number of tick marks made bythe reciptionist is all that matters. The vote is coming like it or not. There is no way out. Face it its political warfare that may be over today.

Whatever it takes, and I mean whatever it takes to increase those numbers is fair game. DO not stop until the votes are down. Calls are a lot cheaper than future legal fees.
 
Sessions: We really do need to deal with the question of excessive lawsuits in America. The legal system has never understood that somebody has to pay whenever somebody gets hurt. Only that those who do wrong should be held accountable. Reads story from news paper about thieves breaking in and stealing materials ranging from a saw to a gun. The owner of the ransacked business decided to stay with his rifle, and the burglars returned. The intruders charged, he fired and killed one. That should have been the end. Now a child of a criminal is suing, saying he has suffered because of his father's death. How have we gotten to the point where we are suing criminal victims. This is contrary to what our American republic was founded on. Some brought up cops suing mfg for being shot, but I don't know any. They carry on their hip a gun made by those same people everyday.
 
Sen. Sessions is calling it like he sees it (burglar's estate in MD suing a business owner that stopped a burglar during a night-time robbery, and then the owner being sued for traumatizing the burglar's kid), talking about Senators complaining about being unable to sue dealers when a criminal steals a weapon from them.

Kharn
 
Sessions is good! Activist politicians in jurisdictions in less than gun friendly locales bringing lawsuits making lawsuits due to a criminals actions.
Simple, basic, makes too much sense for some I'm sure.
 
Where did I read that story Sessions told about the business owners that waited to see if the burglars would come back for a third time? I think it was a thread on THR but I can't find it here anywhere.
 
Sessions: Those who brought this bill (1805) has done nothing wrong. They are dealing with activist politicians and lawyers who are filing suits against innocent mfgs who complied with the law, who sell to a dealer, who then has even more laws to deal with, because of some criminal's acts. A person is not expected to foresee and therefore be liable for a criminal act. If a gun performs, and a criminal uses it, then the mfg should not sue. I don't know where we got this idea to politicize law and go against these mfgs. Speaks of how we can vote them out for not being friendly to our gun rights, but a judge cannot. A judge can basically effect the entire nation with a ruling on this issue, and this is not good policy. We are not going to have individuals complying with the law in this highly regulated enviroment being sued.
 
Can someone explain to me why I should care about this dead 14 year old who 1) broke the law by purchasing the pistol, 2) was guilty in the negligent handling of said pistol?

Sounds like one less criminal to use a firearm against the rest of us.

Sounds harsh, but think about it. He broke the law. Why is a 14 year old purchasing a firearm? Where were the parents?

While I am in no way advocating that anyone who purchases a fire illegally should be shot (the punishment should fit the crime), I am not going to shed tears over it.

I.G.B.
 
If a 15 year old buys a gun from a dealer and does anything with it it is the dealers fault because he sold it to an underage person. The manufacturer has nothing to do with that.
 
Bingaman: From what you said, you should support my amdt. If a person was mislead into believing a gun is unloaded when it is in fact loaded, shouldn't the mfg be liable?

Sessions: The FIRST principle of a firearm is to assume it's loaded. If a dealer handed a customer a loaded gun, they could be liable. But a gun that does not show it's loaded, we've never had that before.

Bingaman: In this case, the pistol in question, they looked in the chamber, saw no bullet, and put in the magazine. Then he took the mag out, and assumed the bullets also came out. They all assumed that. In fact, they were wrong. One bullet had stayed in the chamber. The parents said there should have been a warning or safety. Shouldn't a jury make this decision?

Sessions: You have to understand you can not assume just because you put a mag in, and take it out that there is no cartridge in there. So you want a mfg to be liable? I think having a clear line about what we're going to allow in this country under classic rules of law is what we should strive for.
 
Bingaman: The bill represents long standing principles of tort law? A defendant may still be liable for foreseeable acts. The case I've been focused on is not a traditional criminal offense. It was an accident. But because the negligent use of firearm is the same as a crime, we are determining that it's not reasonable to assume a teen with a gun will act in a negligent action. That's not common sense. (SO CAR MFGS SHOULD BE LIABLE FOR STUPID TEEN DRIVERS TOO, RIGHT?) We all know everyone acts negligently at times. The question is wether an innocent person around at the time of the activity should be barred from suing for this defective product. I agree that those who do wrong should be the ones sued, and that's what my amdt does. It's what we do for every other mfg. I don't understand why it's in the public interest to hold gun makers to a lower standard.
 
Apparently Bingaman is upset that you can't use a gun negligently... illegally buy ammo and a gun, then put a loaded mag in (he HAD to have racked the slide afterwards, ammo doesn't just crawl into chambers), then play with it and pull the trigger, well the mfg should have foresee a teen would do that, and shoot his friend in the process! :fire: :rolleyes:
 
Actually, I call a big bullhockey on what Bingaman said about "checking the chamber."

If they did, then someone loaded the gun.

Of course, if the 14 year old bought the gun, maybe by getting shot we are saved from another Columbine, right? :rolleyes:
 
Bingaman...

appeared to be saying that if a kid takes Daddy's car and hurts/kills somebody that the dealer who sold, and the Mfr who made the car, are liable under his "should have foreseen" rule.

Okay, so now beyond the car key, we should have an ignition lock operated by what - Daddy's thumbprint? Ocular scan?

Really!!! I don't see any evidence that that law is in effect. So, we're picking on gun Dealers/Mfrs, are we?

-IB
 
Carper: I worked with my oldest son on a genealogy assignment. One thing we came across was the development of the Carper rifle. I come from a family of outdoors men. My dad is a gun collector. He had enough for a small army. He used to say if anyone broke into their house, he wouldn't do it ever again. We both have a strong respect for the 2nd Amendment. We have a situation where an unqualified person can purchase from an unlicensed dealer. All the major LEO organizations in my state would like to see this closed. It's common sense.
 
Actually, I call a big bullhockey on what Bingaman said about "checking the chamber."
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Obvisously, the idiot checked the chamber and locked the slide back..inserted a magazine and released the slide, then took out the magazine.

The just leave out that one little thing and it sounds like the gun magically loaded itself, kinda like a gun going off by itself.
 
Looks like final debate and voting will take place tomorrow morning 9:30am-11:30am Eastern... just said that they would not be deviating from the schedule that they were tight for time.
 
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