CZ is Purchasing Colt

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Obturation said:
Yep, hipsters are big on those cz's :rofl:, glad I'm not the only one who's noticed
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50+ years old, been carrying CZ for 20 years, STILL have no idea what anyone means by hipster.

I think a lot of people are caugt up in the whole DW/Colt comparison and forgetting there is a whole host of other firearms CZ makes here and overseas.


CraigC said:
I've been hoping a company with deep pockets and a significant market presence (ahem, Ruger) would step in and save Colt. I've also wondered why anyone would want to. Surely they'll have to get Colt production out of CT and away from the UAW.
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In the US, yes. Internationally? I don't think Ruger could compete in the same league, but I could be wrong.
 
armoredman said:
50+ years old, been carrying CZ for 20 years, STILL have no idea what anyone means by hipster.

I think a lot of people are caugt up in the whole DW/Colt comparison and forgetting there is a whole host of other firearms CZ makes here and overseas.




In the US, yes. Internationally? I don't think Ruger could compete in the same league, but I could be wrong.
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People are focusing on the DW/Colt aspect because that is where the over lap of the two product lines is. CZs other firearms will not have an impact on the Colt line but DW will. If you have been shooting CZs for over 20 years then you know they have exploded in popularity in the last 10 years. When I bought my first CZ 75B almost no store stocked them. You had to find a dealer and have it shipped to you. The first CZ you saw stocked in the Avg gun shop was the CZ P01 which was introduced in the early 2000's. 2003ish IIRC. CZs like it or not have become hipster guns for people getting into gun games. It does not make them bad guns but don't ignore reality. Look around the CZ forum you run you know I am right.

I have been shooting CZs long enough to remember when @Schmecky had time to post here and over on TFL and was asking people if they would be interested in a shorter reach trigger for CZ75Bs. The market for CZ has blown up since then and for good reason. Schmecky and Cajun Gun Works have been a big part of that. This is the positive part of CZ buying Colt. I am critical of some of what CZ has don with DW but for the most part they have continued to innovate and bring quality products to market. If they can help Colt with that I am all for it. Crap I would be happy if they could just teach Colt to properly rollmark a handgun. o_O
 
I carried a Colt Series 70 for twenty years. When I shot a CZ 75b I switched to the CZ line and have not been disappointed. 9MM in 75b, P-01 and 75 Compact. 97b in .45. Colt has too many problems to recover from. I hate to see them go, but if a company (Foreign) has to take them over let it be CZ.
 
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9mmepiphany said:
I saw the thread in GGD and started this for two reasons
1. For folks who don't ever go to GGD
2. To focus discussion on the 1911/semi-auto lineup and the effect the blending will have
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Yeah, I thought about that to considerable end before posting to General.
Since this is likely to affect revolvers as much as self-loading handguns, and the carbine/long arm side swayed my choice.
C'est la vie.
 
CapnMac said:
Yeah, I thought about that to considerable end before posting to General.
Since this is likely to affect revolvers as much as self-loading handguns, and the carbine/long arm side swayed my choice.
C'est la vie.
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There are certainly multiple aspects to the purchase but IMHO the 1911 over lap is the largest. Neither Colt or DW put out many revolvers these days in terms of volume. In the rifle world they run very different platforms which are competing in the same general semi-automatic market but not direct competitors IMHO. AR15s vs Bren Guns. To me the Brens direct competitor are the FN SCARs.
 
CZ's purchase of Colt is most likely to get a large foothold in the AR market. Despite the current political environment that market is the fastest growing for the foreseeable future. I am pretty sure CZ did not do it to make a different brand 1911 or sell a relatively small number of really expensive revolvers each year.
 
WVsig said:
What is a better term than semi-custom for a gun with "custom" features that most people buy off the shelf or order with only a limited number of customization options?
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I consider them Production guns. If you need to differentiate them, you could call them High End Production Guns. When the Kimber 1911 came on the market, it featured several featured which previously would have required custom work...but they weren't called semi-custom 1911s. They were called 1911s with popular options made standard

There are very few true customized options in 1911s anymore...there are production options: like different thumb safeties, triggers or magwells. The gray area would be something like checkering...which is usually done by machine and sometimes finished by hand
 
armoredman said:
50+ years old, been carrying CZ for 20 years, STILL have no idea what anyone means by hipster.
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Dude, seriously-- you're clearly a hipster if you were one of the first guys out there carrying CZs... ;) Hipsters are the cutting edge, the OGs, the trendsetters, the cool guys...
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On a serious note, maybe since we've got so many CZ fanboys aboard, this'll lessen the amount of superfluous Colt-bashing on the forums (that seems to have replaced the Taurus or Kimber bashing that used to be so fashionable). They're just corporations, guys-- criticizing businesses for going through business events is like criticizing your six-week-old puppy for pooping on the kitchen floor...
 
9mmepiphany said:
I consider them Production guns. If you need to differentiate them, you could call them High End Production Guns. When the Kimber 1911 came on the market, it featured several featured which previously would have required custom work...but they weren't called semi-custom 1911s. They were called 1911s with popular options made standard

There are very few true customized options in 1911s anymore...there are production options: like different thumb safeties, triggers or magwells. The gray area would be something like checkering...which is usually done by machine and sometimes finished by hand
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I agree there are very few truly bespoke custom 1911 makers. I think the the only truly custom 1911s are coming from single man shops. Still most of these have a set of options to pick from. There are very few that will start with a blank canvas and let you do whatever you want in terms of the build. Most are going to have configuration or set of parts that they prefer to use. They also have style or aesthetic which they normally will not move outside of. I personally have only worked with one smith with that level of flexibility. That is Don Williams of The Action Works. Still I consider guys like Yost, Burton, Williams, Harrison etc.... Custom 1911 smiths. These guys make a lot of their own parts. Many are made custom for the gun you are building not taken out of bag and installed.

If you consider DW to be a production gun what do you consider a Wilson Combat or Guncrafter?
 
Obturation said:
Owning and enjoying cz doesn't make you a hipster, but the guy sipping Starbucks with a man bun & skinny jeans probably likes the cz best too. I don't know why, maybe they're just snazzy looking guns or something.
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Coffee is usually at work from a WELL used pot, or rarely I might splurge on Dutch Brothers - I hate Star*ucks. I don't have enough hair to make a bun, thankfully. Jeans are carpenter style. :)
 
WVsig said:
If you consider DW to be a production gun what do you consider a Wilson Combat or Guncrafter?
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I consider entry level Wilson Combat and Guncrafter 1911s, exactly that. Entry Level higher end 1911s. I've handled a lot of Wilson Combat 1911s over the years...starting back in the day when they really were custom 1911s. Bill was one of the early adopters of production line assembly, by multiple trained gunsmiths, of 1911s...in essence creating the Higher End/Upper Tier production guns.

His real break through was proving the viability of selling "custom" parts. You have to remember that back then custom really meant Custom, because there were no parts available for Parts Changers to create your Dream 1911

Most of the add-ons I'd want on a 1911 require welding and machining before fitting...Chen magwell and texturing, Grayguns Hardtail. Welding is a lost art in the 1911 industry
 
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Not trying to bring politics into this thread...but this is good positioning on CZ’s part ahead of import laws that are likely to be proposed in the coming 2 years.
 
BreechFace said:
Not trying to bring politics into this thread...but this is good positioning on CZ’s part ahead of import laws that are likely to be proposed in the coming 2 years.
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It's even better positioning should CZ wish to bid on a military/government contract...they wouldn't have to build a new factory to satisfy domestic manufacture requirements
 
Since im from Czech i may have a diffrent look into that and its kinda simply - CZ need more factory capacity because US laws requres firearms to be at least from part manufactured in US nad colt needs funding. Thats kinda all and everything else is just bonus. CZ isnt exactly interested in AR market, but its better to have such a foothold and already working sites, than expanding currect base
So i expect that it actually will have just little effect on Colts and CZ market offerings, most likely colt will be colt but part of its resources will be used by CZ. But if colts fails to make profit, CZ will probably take over and then influence colts production.
Thats kinda czech way
 
Idahou,

That U.S. part rule does not apply to most of the CZ line. It has been used to get around restrictions on so called "assault rifles". By including a certain amount of U.S. parts, your product is no longer considered a foreign product.

Jim
 
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