CZ Rami

[Sox]

Wow, they did their homework on this thing. It is the same height and length as my colt government .380, but thicker. The slide is actually 23mm wide on the top, the frame measures 27.5mm, and it's 25mm at the grip without the grip panels on. Finally, it is 32mm wide with the grip panels on. The front sight is dovetailed, the rear is easily adjustable via a tiny allen screw. The front slide serrations are kinda cool. Lastly, the slide stop and safety levers are very well designed, very flat and discrete yet work well. Can't wait to shoot the thing. The safety locks the slide and trigger, so you can't chamber a round with the safety on like you can a USP. Nor can you place the safety on if you carry it hammer down in traditional DA mode. Again, one super subcompact.

 

[Stealthfixr]

I am a CZ fan (I shoot a CZ 75BD regularly--love it), but aren't the dimensions of the RAMI very similar to the Sig P239? That would make it a little larger than a Kel-tec P11, a good bit larger than a Kahr PM9/MK9, and a lot larger than a Kel-tec P32/P3AT. I am glad the price is a little lower than a Kahr or Sig, but I am not sure what the compelling factor is that has everyone excited about this one particular gun. It is a lot more expensive than a P11. Thoughts?

 

[.45FMJoe]

Handled one at the range and was very impressed. Not as impressed as my father, as he is buying it. lol. That is the second CZ I've ever fondled and the second time I have been uber impressed both times. I will eventually start buying some CZs. They seem to be wonderfully made guns. Hell, the Rami's out-of-the-box DA was almost silky smooth....something that can only improve with use. Two big thumbs up.

 

[GigaBuist]

Stealthfixr,

I haven't had my hands on a RAMI yet, though I do want to fondle one very badly. Hearing that the 9mm model is coming out 'bought made a tent in my shorts. Yes, I have a problem.

Anyway, I own a CZ-75B and have been very impressed with it. It was my first pistol (bought it just over 2 years ago) and it's still my favorite. Sig is a fine gun, but if I'm not mistaken they're DA/SA and I don't really like that. Correct me if I'm wrong but do any Sigs offer the 'cocked and locked' carry feature? When I was first shopping the P226 was one option for me but just like the Beretta 92's it was DA/SA and that turned me off. I'm <b>so</b> glad I didn't get one now.

The Khar's to the best of my knowledge are DAO. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. Same with the Keltec's -- and I just bought their P3AT.

All fine guns, but this RAMI just might be an excellent carry piece and offer me a solid metal gun in a decent size with the manual of arms I prefer in two decent calibers (.40 and 9mm) with a name on it that I can trust.

I most certainly wouldn't scoff at somebody for carrying Sig, Keltec, or Kahr but I feel they're not perfect options for me. That's why I'm geeked about the RAMI. Supposedly an excellent sized carry piece (not the smallest, but smaller than my Glock 23) from a manufacturer that I never really hear anything bad about -- and the maker of a gun that lets me do 1" holes at 7 yards.

If it fights right I'd consider selling the Glock 23 for one in .40 or maybe even 9mm. That if I was rational though... I'm not selling the Glock. I'll just wait until I have more funds

 

[tomkatz]

Alot of us cz-a-holics are totally jazzed over the rami because we have wanted cz to make a smaller gun for a LONG time, and now it is happening........ I like the 10 round capacity of the rami 9mm, and it is gonna work with my 14 round pcr mags, and even my 16 round 75B mags, so since I usually carry the pcr, it only makes sense to back it up with the rami and get the mag compatibility.
CZ RAMI

.............tom

 

[PCRit]

RE: RAMI

Well, I have to agree with the positive comments on the RAMI. It's definitely not in the size class for pocket carry like the P11, PM9, P32 etc. It's like a G26/27 in size, but weighs ~5 oz more. I believe the grip height is a little smaller compared to the P239, since I can easily get a 3 finger grip on the Sig, and not the RAMI, which makes the RAMI more concealable, at least for me. I liked the RAMI .40 S&W so much, that I sold my PM9, just to raise funds for the limited CZ-40P. I can always get another pocket carry (maybe a P11, or another PM9) down the road. But the CZ-40P will be in high demand, short supply, so I figure it's best to get one when they are delivered

It's not that I didn't like my G26, G33 or PM9, I did. But I like the DA/SA of the RAMI for carry when chambered or the option of cocked/locked.

 

[Sox]

Brief range report: You know you are shootin a little BIG gun! It was accurate, reliable blah blah blah, typical CZ. My only complaint was the sharpness on the tip of the trigger. I am gonna try and smooth that out myself a bit. My .02 is to wait for the 9mm, as in a gun this size it is a bit more fun.

 

[RicVa]

"Nor can you place the safety on if you carry it hammer down in traditional DA mode. "

Isn't this strange? This gun is SA/DA, right? That sounds a little strange to me, epecially in a gun that they had to intend to be carried.

 

[keederdag]

Waiting to even see one period..... Scoured the crossroads gun show looking for just a wink at one and never saw a thing. What's the farkin holdup???????? CZ's allway's seem to come out fast and furiouse!!!!!

 

[mbott]

"Nor can you place the safety on if you carry it hammer down in traditional DA mode. " Isn't this strange? This gun is SA/DA, right? That sounds a little strange to me, epecially in a gun that they had to intend to be carried.

Not strange for a SA/DA CZ: they're all this way as far as I know.

--
Mike

 

[rbernie]

"Nor can you place the safety on if you carry it hammer down in traditional DA mode. "

Isn't this strange? This gun is SA/DA, right? That sounds a little strange to me, epecially in a gun that they had to intend to be carried.

CZ's (B-models) have the usual firing pin blocks and such to prevent slam-fires, and a safety to prevent the (relatively light) SA from accidentally dropping the hammer when cocked-n-locked. But if the hammer is already down, what could possibly happen that an additional mechanical safety could prevent?

 

[Sox]

Some prefer the operable safety with respect to retention issues. For example, the S&W autos safeties, Beretta, and HK's to name a few.

 

[RicVa]

Agreed - with the hammer down, there is less risk. I guess I was just thinking it would work like my Beretta 92 works - if the hammer is down and the safety is on, a trigger pull does nothing.

Thanks for the info.

 

[PCRCCW]

This is a Cond 1 capable safety......not a decocker. So if the hammer is down the safety cant go on............

Picture a 1911 with DA trigger pull capabilities and you have a CZ's trigger function down pat........

Shoot well.

 

[tiberius]

FYI, saw 9mm Ramis at the Dallas gun show today. They ARE very nice and were going for $399. I was tempted and probably will be picking one of these up someday soon.

 

[Ky Larry]

Took my new .40 RAMI to the range last Thursday and was very dissapointed with it. About two round out of every mag would fail to feed. The rounds would hit the feed ramp and stop the slide. Slight rear movement of the slide would allow the round to feed. This happened with 50 rounds of Sellier&Bellot 180 gr FMJ and 100 rounds of UMC 180 gr FMJ.
However I shot 50 rounds of Winchester Silver Tips and it worked perfectly. The feed ramp is very smooth and I can't see any burrs or rough spots on it.
Accuracy was excellent with the S&B ammo, 1.5 inch groups at 15 yards offhand.Silver Tips accuracy was fair and UMC was terrible.
I own several CZ's and like them all. However,this is the first CZ I've ever owned that wouldn't eat anything I fed it right out of the box. This may be a magazine problem. Next range trip I'll take some mags from my CZ-75B and see if they work okay. The gun may just need to be shot. I'll keep you posted.

 

[racenutz]

Agreed - with the hammer down, there is less risk. I guess I was just thinking it would work like my Beretta 92 works - if the hammer is down and the safety is on, a trigger pull does nothing.

Thanks for the info.

FYI, the EAA Withness (same basic design) can but put on safe with the hammer down.

Took my new .40 RAMI to the range last Thursday and was very dissapointed with it. About two round out of every mag would fail to feed. The rounds would hit the feed ramp and stop the slide. Slight rear movement of the slide would allow the round to feed.

On the first few magazines mine did the same with 165 grain Gold Dots

 

[Jeff OTMG]

tiberius, GOOD price on the RAMI, but I got you beat.
Check out the CZ section at http://www.shotshowreports.com/2004pg3.html

 

[mete]

The RAMI of course competes with the Sig 239,Kahr and HK P2000sk. For that type of gun I'd just as soon have a DAO trigger. The Kahr has a nice 8 lb and the HK is supposed to be even lighter with the LEM trigger. Has anyone measured the trigger pull of the RAMI ?