CZ52 idea, possibly dumb, anyone have a better idea?

Status
Not open for further replies.

bigfatdave

Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2008
Messages
5,961
Location
Near Camp Perry
So I have this CZ52 I actually like shooting, and it has one flaw I've been annoyed by since day one, the safety lever is a thumb-tearing bastard and as a bonus the decocker on these is notoriously unsafe.
My decocker will barely prevent a discharge, the FP makes a small dimple in the primer. So the feature works, but only with a pucker-inducing safety margin.

Now, the safety is a "down for fire" model, so the gun works on the same manual of arms as a 1911 or anything else with a correct safety design. And with the Harrington upgrades (rollers and firing pin) it is actually very reliable and easy to shoot well.

So I've been staring at the safety lever for a while now, and I think I have an idea, but it is sort of "bubba" ... I was hoping for a better way to accomplish the goal, or perhaps some experience to lean on.

Here is the gun:
IMG_20101213_155949.jpg

Here is a close-up of the safety lever in "safe":
IMG_20101213_155959.jpg
In "shoot":
IMG_20101213_160053.jpg
In "decock and maybe go bang":
IMG_20101213_160042.jpg

So ... I've been pondering how to delete the decock feature AND inprove my thumb's comfort, and this is what I have so far:
CZ52%20safety.jpg
I've been thinking of using an epoxy putty to build up the safety lever, extending and smoothing out in section A, while making a lower-profile tab in section B to prevent upward travel of the lever.
If it worked, I might add an external actuator to the slide latch lever, too, sometimes I want to lock the weapon open after cleaning or when there's no magazines handy, but otherwise I don't really miss having the external slide latch, I always overhand rack the slide to chamber a round when loading, so I don't want or need a "slide release", I just want to be able to latch it open without a fumble, maybe a lump the size of a .177" airgun pellet on there would do it.

The underlying questions here are:
  1. Will epoxy putty stick to gunmetal? I have a parkerizing-like finish on this gun, I assume I'd have to de-grease the area?
  2. Could I do it strong enough to not snap off while disengaging the safety? I don't think the tab needs to be particularly strong, so long as it doesn't disintegrate under recoil, the same would go for a slide latch nubbin.
  3. How bubba would it be to do this? I am not concerned with resale value, this is a surplus pistol that I purchased as a way to launch Tokarev ammo, and something to tinker with. In the long run I might consider a refinish job, park or bluing wouldn't stick to the epoxy, so I'd be looking for a paint or powdercoat finish, I suppose.
  4. Does anyone know if there would be corrosion issues under an epoxy putty?
  5. Will epoxy putty stand up to minor amounts of gun solvent? I would of course not be soaking the putty in solvent, incidental solvent contact only.

This is the putty I have on hand, I could get a more suitable product if anyone knows of one:
http://www.mrsupply.com/product.php?productid=63996
 
How bubba would it be to do this?

VERY

Has your 52 been re-arsenaled?.....Is your finish black or grey?

There was only (approx) 200,000 of these made. Don't bubbarize it, especially if it's an original grey finish 52.....IMO

If I recall the Harrington upgrade, although nice in many ways, makes an already questionable de-cocker (if worn) even more questionable. I believe it is recommended to not use the de-cocker if you have the Harrington upgrade.

As far as your thumb goes.....As my hard arsed wife likes to say: "suck it up"
 
It is communist surplus, chop it up.

Epoxy will not do the job. Learn to silver solder and you can make a safety about any shape you want to. I bet there is a decocking linkage you could disable.
 
It is a greyish finish, how deep black is the "black" or how light is the "grey"?

I don't want to trash the gun, I just want it to be (1) safer and (2) more comfortable to shoot. I can hear it crying to itself in the safe every time I close the door on it.

How hard is a detail strip, and is there somewhere to get a second safety lever to do the bubbification to? I'd probably want a replacement slide latch while I was at it, slide latching is less than reliable with every magazine I've found so far already.
 
It is communist surplus, chop it up.

:eek: ..... Lugers & K98's just use to be Nazi surplus too. I won't be chopping up my immaculate 52 ......They've more than doubled in price since I bought mine and I suspect they'll go up more. They are a very unique design of limited production, that shoot a hotrod round. I can't imagine a firearms collector that wouldn't welcome one into his collection.

It is a greyish finish, how deep black is the "black" or how light is the "grey"?

I don't want to trash the gun, I just want it to be (1) safer and (2) more comfortable to shoot. I can hear it crying to itself in the safe every time I close the door on it.

How hard is a detail strip, and is there somewhere to get a second safety lever to do the bubbification to? I'd probably want a replacement slide latch while I was at it, slide latching is less than reliable with every magazine I've found so far already.

You can buy another safety lever here.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=8648

Do a web search. I know I've seen complete detail strip tutorials.

Here's my original finish grey.....The "black" looks more like charcoal and would also have an additional stamp in the area of the frame by the cross swords and date seen in my picture, by the take down lever. That would be the re-arsenal stamp.

CZ52-1.jpg
 
Here's my original finish grey.....The "black" looks more like charcoal and would also have an additional stamp in the area of the frame by the cross swords and date seen in my picture, by the take down lever. That would be the re-arsenal stamp.
I do not appear to have an arsenal stamp, just the swords and "54", and the finish is more grey than black. There goes a refinish, my finish is in pretty good shape for being nearly 56 years old, maybe I need a junker to fiddle with! (or option #27, a TT33-pattern pistol, the Yugo Tokarevs seem to have a workable safety)

OK, I'm thinking the replacement safety lever is the way to go, but I'm not finding detail strip instructions or video through search ... anyone have one bookmarked?
I'd like to get the slide latch pin replaced while I'm at it, it is sort of loose in there and I think that's part of the reason latching happens only ~50% of the time it should (it never happens when it shouldn't, which is nice)

I do shoot the crap out of my guns, but I also do my best to keep them in good shape, I don't want to do a chop job and I don't want to destroy the gun ... I just want to not need a glove to work the safety lever, I keep defaulting to the habits I use with other "safety-less" and "down to shoot" guns, because I've been working for about a year to sweep the thumb down firmly during presentation ... this works well on properly equipped guns and does nothing wrong on no-safety-lever models, but it tears my thumb up on the CZ vz52.
 
Between the link Jim supplied and the schematic at Gunparts, that should help you out a lot with the detail strip. For the record, my safety lever is a bit sharp too.

Not really that worried about it though since I don't train "quick draws" that much with the 52 since it's not in my CCW rotation.....The 52 will always have a spot in my safe seeing as I consider it my "go to" zombie apocalypse pistol. ;)
 
Um, alot lot of the drop safe, decock etc. is complex, I remember an article about it on surplusrifle.

the gist was, there is stuff you can do, but most of it will render the gun unsafe to shoot as the decocker is complex and integral to the trigger and safety.
 
there is stuff you can do, but most of it will render the gun unsafe to shoot as the decocker is complex and integral to the trigger and safety.
which is why I want to neuter the decocker externally, not internally
 
The grip angel is wrong on the TT33 and its clones. I'll stick with the 52
 
I'm not dumping anything, I might get a yugo as an additional toy though

Always nice to have multiple guns firing the same chambering, and I think it is possible to run the M57 with modified CZ52 mags ... two guns, one ammo and magazine pile, sounds appealing to me!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top