D.C Protest

[Bruno2]

I think it could have some positive results. Starters, how would look if the militarized police stopped everyone before they got there? Also how would it look in the public eye if they were allowed, but there was a huge military presence in the streets as well? Just seems to me like it confirm the peoples biggest fears of we are no longer living in a free nation. Obama just gave a speech at a University where he was trying push a belief that the gov doesn't want to control people and that people should trust the gov. Sounds to me like the gov is concerned about their image here of lately.

According to the second amendment, if you look at it from a view of what it is actually for, isn't it in place as a threat? We have guns and don't make us use them for a revolution. I see it as basically having a gun at the politicians head at all times. Like it or not, this is what it is.

 

[Sam1911]

Hmmm... how will it look to the folks in TV land if a bunch of uniformed police officers stop/arrest/detain a bunch of (fill in the blank? "Yahoos" might be one word that an average person might apply...) who try to march on Washington with loaded rifles? Who do you think the average non-gun-owning citizen (and a whole lot of the gun-owning ones as well) are going to look on more favorably?

The officers, or the militia guys? (Yeah, I know they aren't militia ... well, depending on your definition, maybe they are!)

What is the 2nd Amendment FOR? Resistance to tyranny. But when you arm yourself and march on the Capitol in direct violation of the law, you're declaring yourself to now be in official revolt. The number of people actually ready for armed revolt is still very, VERY low. Such a thing requires a response. (Call it a backlash, if you will.) You either break that backlash and prevail, or that backlash breaks YOU and you are subjugated. If we haven't reached critical mass to prevail, we run the grave risk of being hit hard by the backlash these guys trigger.

 

[Midwest]

Someone suggested an armed march on DC back in 1994. It didn't happen obviously but one wonders if it did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Thompson_(attorney)

If it happened and it turned out bad...today we could be discussing the 100 day waiting period and the $500 yearly license fee just to buy a single shot .22 cal rifle...

Or....

If it turned out good...we could be patting ourselves on the back for overturning the 1968 GCA ,1934 NFA gun control laws and nationwide constitutional carry....

Since it didn't happen...I think caution is the order of the day for the DC Protest. Maybe empty holsters and household brooms would be good substitutes for pistols and rifles.


From Wiki
Proposed march on Washington

"In 1994 Thompson declared herself "Acting Adjutant General" of the "Unorganized Militia of the United States" and announced plans for an armed march on Washington, D.C. in September of that year. She declared that militiamen would arrest and try for treason in "Citizen's Courts" those Congressional representatives not living up to their oath of office. The proposed march was almost denounced by groups on the right wing, including the John Birch Society.[2] Thompson soon cancelled the march.[10] Later she was arrested for blocking a President Bill Clinton motorcade in Indianapolis and several weapons were found in her automobile.[2][3]"

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

publicity stunt with a built in rip cord. he will only go if he gets enough followers. is ghe relying on his web persona as sole means of support? is he trying to keep the cards letters and checks flowing ? i hope so. otherwise this will end poorly.

 

[Piratesailor]

His heart is in the right place, but it's a fine line he's treading.
If it's time to march, march in earnest.

I've been debating this with my wife and brother recently. As it turns out, my wife is a bit more militaristic than I am. She has asked the question - at what point do we actually use our arms to defend our freedoms against a government? When it's too late? She's ready to go.

My brother's approach is to live to fight another day in other ways besides a gun (he owns many and is on a rifle team).

So at what point do we protest? After we've gone over some type of cliff or before?

Quite frankly, if he had 10,000+ people with him then I'd say success. But he won't and it will look stupid and maybe turn out bad.

I believe that if this is done, it shouldn't be solely about guns but the corruption in our government, the ruling elite and our national debt as well as jobs and the overall economy. It should also be millions of people.

 

[r1derbike]

So it's true. The MSM will have a field day with this, even if they turn around at the "line in the sand". No good will come of this. None.

Leave the guns at home. Peaceful protests don't include loaded firearms slung across backs. They will only serve as an antagonist of the worst kind.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I sometimes wonder if retards like this aren't actually working for the other side...

 

[Midwest]

I sometimes wonder if retards like this aren't actually working for the other side...

I was thinking along the same lines.

 

[Midwest]

I've been debating this with my wife and brother recently. As it turns out, my wife is a bit more militaristic than I am. She has asked the question - at what point do we actually use our arms to defend our freedoms against a government? When it's too late? She's ready to go.

Some have said that the only time we will need the Second Amendment is when they try to take it away.

 

[lionking]

Someone please get these people planning this to invoke some common sense and not do this.

It will hurt our cause not help. We just fought back the anti's and won on a national level for the main part.

These actions would be those of a extremist who has become blinded by a cause.

Peaceful unarmed rally yes, armed rally NO! The day that martial law is declared, when the constitution is nullified, when elections are nullified, when troops are in the streets upholding this then maybe this might be justified but we are nowhere near that.

Just because one doesn't get their exact way law wise politically doesn't mean they are justified in making a hissy fit declaring "the tree of liberty must be refreshed " motto and following through on it.

I swear I have read the opinions of both extreme left and right following politics and they are both so wrapped up in their own mind that nobody else matters and this is what that would portray.

This proposed action by them would give the anti's the best propaganda to use against us that they could hope for.

 

[lionking]

quote: " at what point do we actually use our arms to defend our freedoms against a government? "

Elections are still held, and transfer always occurs peacefully. About the only thing close to tyranny recently election wise is when Bloomberg changed the law so he could be 3rd term which was a power hunger move.

We just won against the anti's most gun bans or restrictions have been stopped.

You can still do a pro-gun rally with signs ONLY and not be beat or shot down by cops like what happens in Egypt, Syria, Cuba, and a host of other countries.

Any bad law can still be voted back or overturned.

So what's the problem? Just because things might not go your way at the moment politically doesn't mean the U.S.A has fallen into a dictatorship and your rights revoked permanently.

There might be some aspects of a political climate you don't agree with but you still have the ability to change it peacefully. we are not some 3rd world country like mentioned above.

 

[Yo Mama]

lionking is right on. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I hate to say this, those that break the law are no better than those that write bad law.

 

[zxcvbob]

I hate to say this, those that break the law are no better than those that write bad law.

That kind of depends on the law, doesn't it? (think Nuremberg Defense)

 

[Green Lantern]

Maybe we should be doing Activism to try and talk this guy OUT of doing this, or to at least leave the firearms out of it...

I sometimes wonder if retards like this aren't actually working for the other side...

+1

 

[r1derbike]

I sometimes wonder if retards like this aren't actually working for the other side...

I guess we'll know for sure when they get a, "wink, nod, say no more" at the D.C. side of the bridge?

 

[The-Reaver]

Bout time we got this boat on the road.

Believe the count is up to 2k something.

 

[Kiln]

I think that his methods aren't perfect but this sort of thing is exactly what we need to put the country where it should be. How long do you allow states to step on American rights?

We are not slaves. The founding fathers of this country fought to ensure that we would never be slaves. They laid out the groundwork to protect us from our own government and unless we protect it, we'll lose it.

Open protest and civil disobedience is exactly what we need. If we're called terrorists then so be it. The people who fought the British to win the right to freedom were once called the same.

 

[dragon813gt]

This is such a bad move and the organizer has to be one of the biggest idiots around. This is nothing more than a way for him to get his name in the news. This will not do any good for the pro gun agenda. The media will paint it that we are all wackos. We don't need this. The Bonus Army was a lot bigger w/ legitimate issues. Look at how it turned out for them.


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[jbrown50]

It's obviously a publicity stunt.

Adam Kokesh is intelligent enough to know that the news media would never paint this in anything but a negative light no matter how well it went.

 

[alsaqr]

IMO: Anyone who would follow Adam Kokesh to DC needs his head examined.

Kokesh comes from a very wealthy family. Assuming that Adam Kokesh doesn't start a shooting contest; his rich dad will soon bail him out of jail. Many of his followers will not be as lucky, they will rot in the DC jail.

More about Adam Kokesh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh

 

[X-Rap]

Do the march with a full magazine in hand, it will still be against the law so the gov will have to make a choice on arrests but still only symbolic since no functioning guns would be present.
It will also be a good test for future protests. I think 10,000 people with a 30 rd mag held high over their head would make a statement in DC with out disturbing the sensibilities of the rabbit people.

 

[sota]

the soap box
the ballot box
the jury box
the cartridge box

the first 2 have been used with effect so far. the third is being used as we speak (Colorado recall attempts, NY SAFE getting challenged hard, no idea what CT is up to yet thoug, SCOTUS has cases it can decide on, etc.) a march on the capital with LOADED firearms is the fourth box. We are not there yet. It should be a SOAP BOX march. As much as it pains me sometimes to be the calm, level headed one during some "debates" about this topic in the real world I have no choice but to be so if I wish to prevail.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Just a side note.

I finally had time to do some research on Adam Kokesh...and I've come to the conclusion that he's not just a retard...he's a malicious retard.

I've no doubt that he, as someone who willfully violated the rules and regulations on a number of occasions, probably didn't have a "stellar" reputation during his day-to-day life in the military (and non-military) life, either.

He deliberately violated regulations by bringing home a pistol from the Iraq War in 2004. He deliberately violated regulations by attending a political protest in uniform. He was deliberately disrespectful to officers in charge over him. He's been involved in stirring up hate and discontent over muslim postings on campus.

"Disaffected" is a good descriptor for him. "Treoublemaker" would be putting it in clearer terms.

 

[Texan Scott]

Wouldn't using the internet across state lines to not only advocate but ATTEMPT TO CARRY OUT a large -scale gun crime constitute a federal felony conspiracy? They could pick this guy up for questioning NOW if they really WANTED to prevent this.

 

[toiville2feathers]

The Idea of marching on D.C. is OK, Just make sure you have the marchers committed to marching. Remember the "Millions Moms" march. There numbers fell way short of that mark, which took quite a bit of fizz of that march.
Doing it with loaded weapons is absolute insanity. That will give a big negative impression on the gun owners of America and the 2nd ammendment supporters. Placards and signs would be a better way to protest.
If none of the above makes any sense to you, then tell me how you would re-act to a show of force (Armed to the Teeth) from the U.S. Military in your local 4th of July Parade. Would that upset you.
Adam Kokesh is not someone who should be representing RKBA for us. His past actions prove that to me. Some of these people are using RKBA as a cover for their un-american activities. We need to start policing our own ranks and expose them for what they are. If we don't we are headed out on a difficult course