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cassandrasdaddy
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why do i envision kokesh as lt thomas keifer in the caine mutiny
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r1derbike
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I would hope that people along the bridge would hold-up signs saying, "The Law Abiding Gun Owners of America Condemn This March and its Leader".
An anti loaded weapon protest, if you will. Yeah, it's sad we may have to fight among ourselves for the common good, but you just can't fix stupid.
An anti loaded weapon protest, if you will. Yeah, it's sad we may have to fight among ourselves for the common good, but you just can't fix stupid.
If this starts to look serious, they will arrest him prior to the March. It'll knock the wind out of the sails. Big public trial, no March occurring, dude goes to prison, and people forget about it in a year.
Seen this happen before, not in DC, but in Illinois. They already have a proven game plan for this scenario.
They'll confront him ahead of time, get him all riled up on a recording, and take him down on some obscure law (such as IL's "intimidation of law enforcement" felony).
Game over, goodnight.
Seen this happen before, not in DC, but in Illinois. They already have a proven game plan for this scenario.
They'll confront him ahead of time, get him all riled up on a recording, and take him down on some obscure law (such as IL's "intimidation of law enforcement" felony).
Game over, goodnight.
627PCFan
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And if you mount a visible protest against, the ANTI's are going to see that as dissention in the ranks/weakness and use it against us. They will NOT see it in the light you hope they would.
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Given what could happen if he goes through with it, the antis seeing distension in our ranks might be the best possible outcome...!
Hoping something like what Trent says comes to pass, so it does not come to that. The "powers that be" COULD stop this before it starts...NDAA anyone? If the .gov has the power to lock anyone away forever by claiming they're a "terrorist," may as well do something positive with it.
However, I for one would have no problem believing that TPTB would choose to let the guy proceed in order to have more bad press for 2A supporters.
Personally I would prefer "dissension" in our ranks over people like this idiot (and Alex Jones) being viewed as part of "us" I don't want this guy representing me and I don't want him as part of our "ranks".
dark.zero.x
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Personally from what I can tell, this is not a protest only for gun rights or just the second amendment, but for the whole of the constitution.
If you look at the recent history of "peaceful protest" in this country it shows one group attempting to coerce the other with means of force (be it less lethal or otherwise)
Has anyone to this point used more than one aspect of the rights granted by the constitution to defend the other? Yes, in small instances, but largely no.
Why not defend the first with the second?
When will we stop being divided along left/right lines or any other hundreds of divisions and come together as Americans to protect the closest thing that humanity has come to true personal freedom?
(I know that some of the opinions herein may not go over well with some, but ultimately it is just that my opinion and you are free to take it, or leave it.)
If you look at the recent history of "peaceful protest" in this country it shows one group attempting to coerce the other with means of force (be it less lethal or otherwise)
Has anyone to this point used more than one aspect of the rights granted by the constitution to defend the other? Yes, in small instances, but largely no.
Why not defend the first with the second?
When will we stop being divided along left/right lines or any other hundreds of divisions and come together as Americans to protect the closest thing that humanity has come to true personal freedom?
(I know that some of the opinions herein may not go over well with some, but ultimately it is just that my opinion and you are free to take it, or leave it.)
XxWINxX94
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Amen. I'm for the march, as long as the protestors don't start anything stupid that could potentially end violently. It really is a bigger issue than firearms, Kokesh just wants equality and freedom for all citizens, particularly those in D.C. who aren't permitted to have weapons in public. This is being demonstrated by means of peaceful resistance and carrying weapons where they are supposedly illegal. Shouldn't the second ammendment apply anywhere in the country? Or is it only applicable in places where the president and federal government are located? Did the people of D.C. choose to have little to no firearm rights? An unjust law is an unjust law, no matter if Rosa Parks took the man's bus seat or Adam Kokesh marches on D.C.
Do some researcha and watch some of Kokesh's videos, he really just wants to expose the elitist, hypocritical and unfair sides of government, and ultimately reform it. This march is just receving more attention than his usual stunts, and he has repeatedly stated they will not resist law enforcement.
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but its all about our rights and freedoms.
cassandrasdaddy
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research kokesh and his history of antics.
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thankfully i think its all noise
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quote"Amen. I'm for the march, as long as the protestors don't start anything stupid that could potentially end violently. It really is a bigger issue than firearms, Kokesh just wants equality and freedom for all citizens, particularly those in D.C. who aren't permitted to have weapons in public. This is being demonstrated by means of peaceful resistance and carrying weapons where they are supposedly illegal. Shouldn't the second ammendment apply anywhere in the country? Or is it only applicable in places where the president and federal government are located? Did the people of D.C. choose to have little to no firearm rights? An unjust law is an unjust law, no matter if Rosa Parks took the man's bus seat or Adam Kokesh marches on D.C.
Do some researcha and watch some of Kokesh's videos, he really just wants to expose the elitist, hypocritical and unfair sides of government, and ultimately reform it. This march is just receving more attention than his usual stunts, and he has repeatedly stated they will not resist law enforcement.":end quote
Well I have done some research on him and from what I have seen he is more about ego and has affiliated himself at times with groups like code pink who are on the extremist left side and outspoken against gun owners.
As far as people's rights, states rights matter and if people want something in their state let them or take it to court and over turn it. The system still works.
And then there is the insult to many American's by taking your guns to the street sending a message of "we don't like your opinion and vote and we'll take it away by intimidation and force". American's don't agree on everything and you might not like their vote but their voice counts also not just yours and you can change their minds by the soapbox, change government by votes, change laws by votes or courts with peaceful means without sending a threatening message.
Again, when the politicians suspend voting, suspend the court, suspend the constitution, suspend your voice and refuse to step down from elections then come back to me about "tyranny".
It really is a bigger issue true, a bigger issue than just what youconsider correct for the country. Like it or not, other opinions and voices to the future of the country matter also
Do some researcha and watch some of Kokesh's videos, he really just wants to expose the elitist, hypocritical and unfair sides of government, and ultimately reform it. This march is just receving more attention than his usual stunts, and he has repeatedly stated they will not resist law enforcement.":end quote
Well I have done some research on him and from what I have seen he is more about ego and has affiliated himself at times with groups like code pink who are on the extremist left side and outspoken against gun owners.
As far as people's rights, states rights matter and if people want something in their state let them or take it to court and over turn it. The system still works.
And then there is the insult to many American's by taking your guns to the street sending a message of "we don't like your opinion and vote and we'll take it away by intimidation and force". American's don't agree on everything and you might not like their vote but their voice counts also not just yours and you can change their minds by the soapbox, change government by votes, change laws by votes or courts with peaceful means without sending a threatening message.
Again, when the politicians suspend voting, suspend the court, suspend the constitution, suspend your voice and refuse to step down from elections then come back to me about "tyranny".
It really is a bigger issue true, a bigger issue than just what youconsider correct for the country. Like it or not, other opinions and voices to the future of the country matter also
A quick look through the wilkepedia's story on him reveals a connection to code pink. A left wing extremist group who seem anti gun. I believe they protested the NRA speech after sandy hook. Look at the protest section of the wilkepedia write up. Who knows maybe he is on the other side.
alsaqr
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The Kokesh show was picked up by RT network. RT is funded by the Russian government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh
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Peaceful protests with the intent to stay peaceful are effective. This isn't one of those.
swalton1943
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This idea will hurt us! Look for it to be supported undercover by the anti's.
Rail Driver
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War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
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Sam1911
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So it's war then? And this guy will lead? Ok, good to know. Where do I sign up?
Rail Driver
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Your response is a bit snarky. What's the purpose behind your apparent implied ridicule?
I didn't post that in order to say "this is war" - I posted it in order to illustrate americans' blind adherence to the status quo no matter how screwed up the status quo is.
You're OK with the government twisting the constitution in order to steal nearly 40% of your earnings? You're OK with every right you have "protected" by the Bill of Rights (including the RKBA) being trampled in the interests of "the greater good"? The greater good for who? You and I? Nope. The greater good for government officials and those who hold real power.
I don't believe violence is the only answer to make the changes we need to make, after all - Iceland revolted without bloodshed or violence when their government and banks got too greedy.
You talk about this being a 2A advocacy site - you talk about how we're here to educate and spread a love for shooting - but you continue to support a government that has been treating the American people like cattle for the past 100 years and whittling away every right we're born with?
Sorry, but your sarcastic reply has no basis. Our rights are under attack from all sides, our way of life isn't in jeopardy, it was destroyed before we were ever born.
Not ONE SINGLE American on this board has ever known true freedom.
I don't know about you, but I would like my children to grow up free, and I won't be a slave.
Sam1911
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Oh? If you're looking for revolution, this isn't the site to find it on.
I've studied a little bit of history, and one or two biographies along the way as well. Comparing the who, what, and how of the very few 'successful' revolutions in history that we might look to as models for the change we want, the people and the ideals and the circumstances that allowed those events to happen the way they did were so very, very far different from the people and ideals and circumstances we have at present, that no revolutionary rumblings extant, or which might reasonably be in the offing, even rise to the level of a good farce in comparison.
Where is our Washington, our Madison, or Jefferson? Where are the great men of high, even sometimes selfless ideals, and possessing the social position and referent authority to lead? Are they in hiding? They certainly are NOT in politics now, trying to right the ship without bloodshed. They do not exist -- heaven forbid -- in "our side's" media. Why not? Will they come out from behind their disguises "when the time is right?"
You talk of revolution and knowing true freedom, but there is NO guiding light to take us there. In the remotely unlikely event of forthcoming revolution, all we have any reason to expect is a brief period of anarchy followed by reprisal and subjugation.
So you can take your John Stuart Mill, pining for the war that is a lesser evil, and pray that day never comes.
The circumstances that built the greatest form of government the world has ever known DO NOT exist now. If we cannot work within the structures of the governmental system that has developed from that framework, there is no hope that we could replace it with anything equal. Even attempting to reinstate what "we" think the original form was supposed to be would require oligarchical subjugation of those we'd ostensibly be "freeing" -- as they would resist our efforts most stridently.
So, yeah, perhaps I'm a bit snarky when someone like this says we're going to march on Washington with rifles.
RetiredUSNChief
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I'm not going to "flame" you for this.
However, I will beg to differ with you on Kokesh's motives. Kokesh isn't about "equality and freedom for all citizens". His behavior is about "being an [edit]hole". See post #48.
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We don't support stupid behavior in the guise of advocacy.
This is a struggle, but the hyperbolic rhetoric about it being a war is as far off target as it comes.
We have to out politic these politicians and we have to keep in mind that there is no letup, no rest, no "peace" to be made with them. Their objective is and will be the complete disarmament of the populus and the disassembly of the 2nd, but they're using political means to do this which obilgates us to beat them on this field.
Howling for war is the fool's quick impatient solution instead of the day by day slogging against the lies and manipulations of the Antis.
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