Electricmo
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Lack of merchandise. Absolutely 0 .45acp or 9mm pistols of any kind in stock. Crazy to say the least.
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Just give it a year or so. And the market will be flooded with cheap used pistols. That and actually be able to buy ammo.
crestoncowboy
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I bought a 329 pd through them 10 years ago id say. Haven't really been on there since. No problem with them. Not the cheapest place though.
One gun store I check in at pretty regular always has 3000 used guns or more. They have less than 90 now. They always advertised 7500 in stock total. Now they have less than 700
One gun store I check in at pretty regular always has 3000 used guns or more. They have less than 90 now. They always advertised 7500 in stock total. Now they have less than 700
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wiscoaster
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Except that this may be the longest year in history for those who need a firearm and can't get one.
So true but its life. There are plenty for sale local (ga). Some over priced. Alot of scammers. Jump on Armslist amd see whats around.
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Let's hope. Depending on a variety of issues between now and next year, I think it's entirely possible it will be WORSE in a year.
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I worry about all these first-time gun buyers and their lack of experience. Not only from a safety point, but just in their lack of knowledge overall.
I worry they think handguns are like consumer small appliances- pull it out of the box, plug it in, and it works. So then things get hinky and they point and pull the trigger and the gun jams because they never function checked it or figured out what ammo will feed.
I worry they think handguns are like consumer small appliances- pull it out of the box, plug it in, and it works. So then things get hinky and they point and pull the trigger and the gun jams because they never function checked it or figured out what ammo will feed.
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Historically, thats hows its usually gone, and hopefully, history repeats itself. I quit buyin right now, for that very reason. No sense paying a premium for something thats going to be cheap shorty down the road.
No doubt covid and things like the BLM silliness have driven the panic, but we still have one thing to worry about here, and thats what goes on with the election. I dont think its really been a typical "gun people" (and we have always been our own worst enemies here) panic like before.
Then again, theres really nothing left to panic over, so I guess, whats it matter?
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Please, don't tempt the fates. lol
Im pretty sure this election is in the bag (knock on wood) and I fully understand not buying right now. Ive sold a few things for a decent profit. Only thing im lacking is range ammo. Plenty of self-defense rounds. Just only have 300 rounds of range 9mm. This might get deleted but its ito funny not to share. Covid picked Trump over Biden. And I pray for a speedy recovery for all who have it.
RA40
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I have buddy in the midwest and I've been nudging him since early '19 that he may want to have and become proficient with a handgun. This past JAn we had the discussion and he agreed that it was time. That was about when it was ramping up and he mentioned to me that a few days back he began his purchase approval paperwork but there is 0 to be bought and local ranges are closed.
A member on another forum was hired at an ammunition manufacturer to run one of the loading/reloading machines. For him he's been finding a variety of pre-owned guns to buy through all this. I haven't set foot in a gun shop since early March so I am out of touch to what is even there. If it looks like the frozen pizza or burritos section at local markets, yeah I can imagine the bare spaces.
A member on another forum was hired at an ammunition manufacturer to run one of the loading/reloading machines. For him he's been finding a variety of pre-owned guns to buy through all this. I haven't set foot in a gun shop since early March so I am out of touch to what is even there. If it looks like the frozen pizza or burritos section at local markets, yeah I can imagine the bare spaces.
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Thats what gets me. These people buy nothing when its cheap. Sometimes 8-10 years of only having one box of ammo and they still don't run out. Then when the prices hits 10x they need a truck load.
Just to illustrate my point. Sadly My Dad even bought a brick or two last panic. Granted he bought it at a dunhams and paid their high but not inflated price. (A brick of golden bullets was 70 most places at that time. Dunhams always has it at 29.). My dad is still shooting the same 50 rd boxes of 22 ammo he bought for 25 cents way before i was born. In my 40 years he has fired off under 500 rounds total. All calibers combined. There was absolutely no need for him to buy during a panic. But he did because everyone else was and he had heard about it.
I'm not confident at all. But to that effect I'm not convinced it matters either in reality Purely from a panic buying / price and supply standpoint of course. Under Obama there was a panic. There was no 22 ammo. Pmags were going for 5x what they should and no primers were out there. Yet there was no reason for it. Democrats didn't shut down the first rimfire manufacturer. Obama nor 99% of congress on either side know what a primer is. they talk about stocks that hold 100 rounds and bump when you fire them.....primers aren't a blip on their radar. All the shortages were caused by us in my opinion ( us as in gun owners. I personally didnt buy much of anything over the last 12 years) Thats what is so sad. I can somewhat understand the runs on standard capacity mags when legislation is threatened but the other stuff is our own fault.
I dont even think people shoot more. I think half just store it up and the other half buy it to resell honestly. I can shoot in my yard but for many folks the ranges have been closed for 6 months but yet we have ran out of ammo? Hmmmm
I also wonder if some of the panic is influenced by retailers. Generally I'm not into such conspiracy but let's be real. You and I dont benefit from 50 dollar 9mm. The government benefits very little in the way of tax. The manufacturers make the same.....yet the big retailers/wholesalers are making 5x the profit they made last year with no added costs and for no real reason??
idkHow would they do that?
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Same way we do. Tell 5 people in the industry that they think times are going to get rough. Primers may be short or whatever. Coming from the right people? Those 5 tell 5 each. Or Leak to one popular YouTube personality that pmags will be hard to get soon because xxxxx senator is going to introduce legislation and it has backing (the same legislation that is constantly introduced) and pretty quickly 2 Million people are thinking maybe they should buy a couple. Tell one hackathorn or vickers or hickok45. If i say it nobody cares but if those guys do? Go on thehighroad and start a thread? Maybe I'm an undercover working for Davidsons or olin....who knows. Just examples btw All three of those guys seem like good guys and have forgot more about shooting than ill ever know.
Not saying anyone is doing anything and i probably shouldn't think out loud. If I sound foolish its not the first time. Wont be the last. But 8 or 10 years ago there was a run on primers. The only decent excuse I heard was "epa regulations on the chemicals MAY happen .....". Now who actually said that to begin with? Also "New shooter/ first time gun owner buying them?" How many "new shooters or first time gun owners simultaneously took up reloading too? And in all sizes. Large rifle and large pistol and 209. How many of those first time owners didn't buy a rimfire, 9mm 40 or 223?. No 209 primers? Did they buy muzzle loaders or take up loading shotshells
. The manufacturers may have shifted to making small pistol and small rifle to keep up (which I doubt is the same machines anyway...) but they all went out of stock at the same time. Some went to ammo manufacturers but again all sizes?Someone put it out there and we all ran with it. All im saying is ammo went from 9 bucks to 30+ for the exact same thing in 9mm (which I dont shoot btw) . It has done so many times now. Thats 3x the profits at absolutely no cost difference to manufacture. Plus its insuring demand. If they aren't doing it I guarantee they have thought about it. All it takes is a couple rumors and we start the panic. Who started the rumors
Certainly can't blame "the man" like most here love to do . The last thing most of the government wants is to keep reading about how the gun/ ammo industry cant even keep up. Im sure they lose sleep over it.
The demand is buyer driven and it always is, in everything.
The price increase resulted from the increase in demand--as happens with everything.
What cased the increase in demand? Can you say "political unrest and uncertainty"?
Police retreat in Seattle? Riots in Chicago?
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This time maybe. But we have found an excuse plenty of times before.
I understand free Market. I am in management in a 500 million dollar revenue company. Worked at it since high school. I also know better than most that things are done to shift peoples buying. Some shady and some not.
We seem to be more divided than ever as a nation, are in the middle of a pandemic, and have a contentious election next month that will have a disputed result.
Why anyone would think guns and ammo prices will be back to normal in a year is beyond me.
These are not normal times, and this is not the typical ammo panic.
$.79 for a single round of 5.56 may sound like a bargain this time next year.
Why anyone would think guns and ammo prices will be back to normal in a year is beyond me.
These are not normal times, and this is not the typical ammo panic.
$.79 for a single round of 5.56 may sound like a bargain this time next year.
RA40
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Among my small circle, most had bought prior to Christmas in 5K+ per caliber they shoot. There was no inkling of the pandemic but with ammo prices being decent, they got what they could. They've been through this in election years so they suspected like past elections the year prior is going to bring a rush of buying in preparation. The unrest has fueled more hoarding and enticed the non-gun crowds to consider firearms now.
This is going to be an interesting ride and for how long...?
Arizona Ammunition Maker Facing $80-Million In Back Orders
https://bearingarms.com/came/2020/09/30/ammunition-maker-80-million-back-orders/
This is going to be an interesting ride and for how long...?
Arizona Ammunition Maker Facing $80-Million In Back Orders
https://bearingarms.com/came/2020/09/30/ammunition-maker-80-million-back-orders/
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Last panic it took my Wife at least a year to "hear about it" One day she comes in all in a panic over no .22 ammo. I said have you looked at what we have? About 10K. I said I still get it weekly, we are fine. Will she decides she needs to help
One day I see UPS, driver with sour look on face is humping heavy box to the door. Then goes back for another. She found someone selling that Federal 325 round bulk stuff (Not the Auto Match) no limit so she bought 7K of the damn stuff
It is worthless as ammo, makes good ballast. NONE of our .22's shoot worth a crap with it. Most of its still sitting in a closet. After that panic ended I started keeping 20K of the .22 ammo so this time when she heard of another panic I told her, I have it in hand, you can shoot all you want, please don't buy any without checking with me
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Sounds like you need to buy a gun that will work with it
Strange how my local Academy had at least 10 semi auto handguns in the case Saturday. And not just budget stuff. There was a Glock 17,21,43,48 and a 19 gen 3. I almost bought the 48 but I don't need it as bad as somebody else right now. Either people are running out of money, everybody has what they need or they just quit looking in the most obvious places for guns.
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When these kind of panics start some things come back first. Guns of course are something its hard for people to keep stacking up. Ammo most can afford to stock up multiple cases, no problem. Not many can afford to buy even 100 guns just to sit on. So of course the guns will start to come back first.
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Sound like an excellent time to sell it to the panicking hoard.She found someone selling that Federal 325 round bulk stuff (Not the Auto Match) no limit so she bought 7K of the damn stuff
It is worthless as ammo, makes good ballast. NONE of our .22's shoot worth a crap with it. Most of its still sitting in a closet.
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