De-Lead soap?

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Hadn't heard of de-lead soap until the last couple of months. Both the local ranges have it for customers to use after shooting. Everything lead warning I've read from ammo makers over the years said to wash your hands thoroughly after handling or shooting ammo, but said nothing about using "de-lead" soap.

What's your impression of de-lead soap? Is it necessary? Most importantly, where can I get it?

Hardware store didn't have it. Neither did gun shop or walmart. I know "the internet is your friend", but I'd just as soon buy it locally rather than paying shipping.

Thanks.
 
... Wash with warm water and soap for 15-20 secs and you'll be fine.
A man for whose judgment I have a great deal of respect once told me to always start ammo / bullet post-handling hand washing by using soap and COLD water. He explained it was important on the first washing to not use warm or hot water because you do not want to open up the pores in your skin until the potential lead contamination is first cleaned away.
 
We buy it and make it available at the sinks and restrooms at my club.


No, it's not marketing. It does work.


Do you need it? Maybe and maybe not.

But for the guys at our club who shoot every single week, some several times a week, yeah. We want it.
 
There's nothing exciting (sodium dodecylbenzene sulfonate) in the MSDS so I'd say it is nothing special.
 
D-Lead soap

I frequent the Los Alamos, NM shooting range on occasion and noticed at their wash sink a soap dispenser with a red colored soap I also noticed in the cabinet above the sink a bottle of the soap. I asked the RO about it and he told me that some of the scientists that work at the lab also attend the range and apparently they were the ones that suggested using the D-Lead soap. I figured that if they felt it was good to use I certainly would want to use it.

I usually shoot on BLM land where there are no facilities so in addtion to washing up with the soap when I get home I also purchased the D-Lead wet wipes after a session at my nearby BLM area.

There are many places to purchase the product but the links do support our "hobby".
 
I use it during & after competitions, where I've had to pick up lots of brass, reset steel, and fired a couple hundred rounds.

D-lead cuts through the grime, lifts it off, and rinses off easily. Seems like a really good soap for range grime and makes eating lunch much more pleasant. A tiny bit goes a long long way.

The D-lead wet wipes otoh tend to dry out once the package is open, even with the lid snapped closed.
 
I picked up some of the D-lead soap and wipes this year.

I've seen/read enough from enough people that it seems worthwhile. It's not like it's very expensive, and if you really want to consider the cost you only need to consider the additional cost over what you would be spending for regular soap instead.
 
I got mine (D-lead) from the Dillon Reloading catalog.

It works. I havent come down with lead poisoning since I started using it.

That argument is as sound as those of you who contend that it is simply ordinary soap.
 
Forgot to mention, I got mine on Amazon.

Amazon has basically everything except firearms, magazines, and ammo.
 
Yeesh, just wear some latex gloves when casting/seating your bullets and cleaning your guns, guys ;). Do that and shoot/cast in well ventilated areas, and there's little means for lead to get anywhere near you

TCB
 
Supposedly, D-Lead soap contains a "chelating" agent...that is, a chemical agent added to the soap which binds with metals in order to assist in their removal. These agents accomplish this by binding with the metallic ions.

Soaps, in general, are ionic cleaning agents which are composed of long chain molecules which have polar hydrophobic and hydrophillic ends to them. One end rejects water and the other end attracts it. Thus the soap molecule can attach one end to dirt and oils while the other end attaches to water, with the result of removing and suspending dirt and oils in water, which is then rinsed away.

Adding other chemicals to the basic soap can increase it's effectiveness in removing a variety of different substances and compounds.

There are other soaps out there which are marketed to do the same thing as D-Lead, one of which is Clean-All.

http://www.buycleanall.com/faqs.aspx


The CDC has licensed technology to a manufacturer (Mk-IX Technologies Corp.) specifically targeted at lead removal from the hands of workers at battery manufacturing plants.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123491637222104303.html

This technology is centered around adjusting the pH of the soap compound to a range which most effectively breaks up lead ions in/on the skin and the addition of a chelation compound to bind to the lead ions.

The problem, however, is that there doesn't seem to be much well publicized research into the actual effectiveness of the various methods and products. Pretty much all you'll find are corporate marketing claims and not independent research/verification. The two are not the same.

Here's what I found in one link:

There are a number of posts on this topic. Assuming we are concerned with litharge (lead oxide) and not other forms of lead, the main questions are:
(1) Can, and to what extent, does Lead get absorbed directly through the skin?
(2) What is the most effective means of removal of lead from the hands or other contaminated skin?

(1) Although most occupational medicine texts describe inorganic lead absorption via skin as negligible compared to inhalation or ingestion, there is actually very little research on this subject. Most of the experimental research has been done with lead salts (e.g., lead nitrate) which is not relevant to litharge. Experiments performed on laboratory animals are unreliable in extrapolating to human occupational exposures (and are also inhumane). What is well established, however, is that lead contamination on skin (mostly hands) significantly increases the risk of secondary ingestion or inhalation when food, beverages, or cigarettes are consumed. Basic handwashing with soap and water has been shown to be relatively effective at reducing such exposures.

(2) The question of whether a chelating agent (i.e., one that chemically binds metals) or proprietary soap/detergent product such as D-Lead(R) is more effective than ordinary hand soap or standard industrial hand cleaner. The latter contain various ingredients to assist in the mechanical removal of contaminants from the outer layer of the skin. This important industrial hygiene and occupational medicine questions has not received the research attention it deserves. Esca Tech, Inc., the manufacturer of D-Lead, cites one published article from 1997 on its web site. The study was limited in scope and did not utilize a reliable set of control subjects or measure effects over time.

These are important questions for people employed in the fire assay and related precious metals industry. I plan to conduct further research on these two related questions and will post a more detailed response in the near future. Please continue to post your own thoughts and experiences on this topic.

- James Craner, MD, MPH


Source: http://www.fireassays.com/vb/showthread.php?15-Soap-to-remove-lead-from-hands&


As for a personal test, this is what I would recommend:

Anybody who has handled lead with their hands for any appreciable amount of time will see the dark lead markings left on the skin. Removal of these markings is one mark of the effectiveness of the soap (and scrubbing) used to wash it off. One could test the effectiveness of D-Lead by comparing how effective D-Lead is at removing these lead markings as compared to the regular soap one routinely uses.

If D-Lead does, indeed, make removal of these lead markings easier, then it's almost certainly more effective than whatever soap you normally use.
 
I keep D.Wipes in my black powder bag and use one after a session of shooting. I then use the delead soap at the range i go to before i leave.

BS or not its still better then doing nothing about it at all.
 
As far as I see it, it's just soap.
Probably good soap.

Anything that alters lead would probably also alter your hands. All you need is a soap that gets under everything and lifts it away, then rinses clean. If it does that well, perfect.
 
Wow! I never thought of "de-leading" I just wash my hands like usual. Next thing we know it will be time to think of not allowing guns in a living area due to "residual lead residue." I feel a new CA law option coming on!
 
Most times when I am out shooting I don't shoot an awful lot, and usually wash my hands before I leave the range with what ever soap they have available.

I do cast however and as such am handling a lot of bullets for inspection afterwords. Also when I finish tumbling cases I usually gave some gook all over both hands from sorting and such.

I was given a bottle of "Magic" band hand soap at work to haul home and try out. In looking for it on the net I came up with the following,
Concentrated Magic Hand Cleaner
and
All Natural Magic Hand Cleaner

To say that it simply removes grit and grime would sell it pretty short. It takes off even the crappyest gunk I have gotten on me. Lead and dust from the tumbling don't have a chance. I have used it both with water and without, while the latter is a bit more trouble it works well anyway. Just wipe clean with a towel and wash up good once you get home.

I'm not in any sort of relationship with this brand or what not, just thought I would throw it out there for those who might want to give it a try. In looking the prices don't seem high if you wanted to possibly try it for club type situations or even if you wanted to stock it around the shop at the house.

I can say it takes everything I have gotten on my hands off while using only about a quarter or so sized blob. The one bottle I have had for going on just about a year now and still have about 1/4 left.

Of course when all else fails I simply grab up the bar of Lava, it has worked since I was a kid, and it takes hie and all if you scrub good enough. Or there is always "Palmolive", you know your soaking in it. If those two didn't get the gunk off us growing up, well we just wore it off.
 
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