armoredman, I couldn't figure out how to quote your picture & get it to come up, but I am TOTALLY ripping this off later. Just so's you know.armoredman said:This is as "emotional" as I could come up with in a hurry.
armoredman, I couldn't figure out how to quote your picture & get it to come up, but I am TOTALLY ripping this off later. Just so's you know.armoredman said:This is as "emotional" as I could come up with in a hurry.
Some people are not going to be swayed by an argument or a debate. You are one of those people, and so are they.
The fact that the majority of people in the population don't want to run your life, have no desire to meddle in the affairs of others, and are not busybodies, tends to bias government in favor of the busybodies.
Most people do not want to run your life. Really. They're just not used to the idea of not having someone out there running our lives.
Never debate any anitgunners, they are too stupid and nuts to reason with. They will discard any logical argument and no matter what info you share with them, they will ignore. They are not worth your time to debate with.
You want do disarm me? Hey, that tune is so familiar . . . wait . . . oh, yeah: that's been the song of every dictator in the last century, commonly preceding genocide and ethnocide. So, since you feel I should be disarmed, what horror do you have planned for me, against which I should be unable to defend?
Hey, you don't want to defend yourself, knock yourself out; just leave me out of that, okay?
So, you have a phobia. Fine. You're afraid of guns. Freud had some remarks on that. Me, I have a different phobia. I fear the tyranny that so predictably follows the disarming of the people. In fact, what a coincidence, our country's founders had a similar fear. Actually, the prospect of being disarmed bothered them so much, they amended the Constitution prior to ratifying it. Yeah. Disarming the people. Horrible idea.
Tell you what. I'm not a busybody, and I don't try to dictate how others live their lives. As long as you don't try to foist your fears on me and try to constrain how I live MY life according to your own private phobias, we can get along. Deal?
Again, the evidence completely contradicts that notion . . .
What evidence would this be?
ArfinGreebly said:And for those who turn out to be relentlessly rabid about banning guns: "What horror is it that you have planned for me that I must be disarmed?" For people that require a little more voltage: "You know, I never figured you for a supporter of slavery."
I do believe you're creating a generalization based on your perceptions.
I also believe you may have presumed that there is some monolithic entity called "the public."
You don't win this by pitting yourself against "the public."
You win this by persuading individuals.
imagine the Anti's believes it was the moral purity of the United States that kept Japan from invading the mainland and not, as Admiral Yamamoto is frequently quoted as saying, because “there would be a man with a rifle behind every blade of grass.”
Arfin, do you mind if I borrow these sayings? Might get some poster mileage out of them, don't know yet.
Not really interested in debating semantics but what i am saying is that there is a large percent of USA citizens who hold certain opinions on issues that absolutely entail running other people's lives. In many cases that is or has been the majority who have held such views. Obviously that does not mean all people.
Win what? My comments are not about winning. I'm refuting your position that people on the whole don't want to run the lives of others.
"But it's for the SAFETY of the CHILDREN."
About debate.....I didn't read through part one so I don't know what your depth of knowledge is. A competently prepared debater can effectively argue either side of an argument. This recognizes that both sides have a list of facts that each uses to compose their arguments. In many cases, the facts on both sides are the same, interpretation is different.
Are you capable of producing a competent argument for gun control? If not, you may be short on facts.
Pete