Anti-gun lobby venom

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John-Melb

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Have a read at this clap-trap, it's the sort of venomous rot the anti-gun lobby publish, can anybody give me a reference for it?

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The truth is terrible about Guns
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Gun politics is always a hot-button topic for debate here in these United States of America. Those who defend the pro-gun lifestyle like to claim that there is nothing wrong with it, that it is a basic and fundamental part of our national heritage.

They like to claim that "the truth" about guns is nothing to be feared, and that "the truth" is that gun owners are just plain folks, no different from the decent families who work hard and raise their children in a nurturing environment.
But the truth is far from comforting. The truth is terrible.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) is the flagship organization of the gun crazies. It claims to be an organization of law-abiding Americans who are doing more than defending their Second Amendment right to keep and bear firearms. However, the truth about the NRA is far from benign; the truth is frightening.

They are a group of sociopaths with a clear agenda: unlimited gun proliferation at all costs, human and otherwise. They have not one iota of human compassion or feeling; their devotion to their implements of death knows no bounds.

For example, the NRA was scheduled to hold its 1999 annual meeting in Colorado. However, in the wake of the horrible mass school shooting at Columbine, many people in Colorado pleaded with the NRA to hold its meeting elsewhere. They refused. And when the venerable Charlton Heston (the NRA's past president)

addressed the crowd in Denver, did he have words of regret and remorse for the tragic events? None could be found. Instead, the NRA and the gun industry expressed concern that the tragedy might hurt their image. In other words, the NRA was deeply saddened by the events at Columbine .. not because they particularly cared about the loss of so many innocent lives, but because they thought that they would end up "looking bad."

The post-Columbine insensitivity is bad enough, but the NRA has also announced its intention to lobby Congress to get gun indoctrination as a part of the standard public education curriculum for every K-6 student in the country. What Heston apparently fails to grasp is that the majority of children in this country are raised by decent, responsible, and loving parents, and that these children have about as much need for "gun education" as a fish has for a bicycle.

Heston's "dream America" might be a country where bullets are zipping through the air like mosquitoes and children are shooting each other dead on the playground for their lunch money, but rational Americas do not share these views.

By far, the most inexcusable acts of the NRA are its opposition to bans on assault rifles and Teflon-coated cop-killer bullets. With regards to assault rifles, they have a sole purpose: to kill people. You don't take an AR-15 out with you to go duck hunting. You won't need an Uzi submachinegun and a truckload of 9mm clips to go deer hunting. The defense of the cop-killer bullets (so named because they are designed to penetrate the Kevlar vests worn by policemen) is simply inhuman; it astounds me that a million people are proud to call themselves members of an organization that advocates the violent murder of police officers who have sworn their lives to the defense of the innocent.

So if the gun owners' main organization is so vile, so completely devoid of worth, surely the individual gun owners themselves must have some redeeming characteristics, no? After all, there must be some good news, right?

I'm afraid not:


Gun owners are dangerously religious. I want you to think about this for a minute. Let's say you get into an argument with a gun owner in line at the supermarket. What's to stop him from pulling out a concealed handgun, blowing your head off, getting your home address from your driver's license, going there and murdering your wife and young children, and then taking his own life? Remember, these people believe that all they have to do is "make their peace with the lord and call him savior" and they will be immediately delivered to eternal bliss.
It seems to me that decent Americans with families have much to fear from this mentality. These people believe there is nothing they can do that will prevent them from an eternity of pleasure with a lord. That includes the cold-blooded murder of young children.


Alcoholism among gun owners occurs at disproportionately high rates. This should be a source of concern to people who are concerned about the safety of their children. The gun crazies like to say that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." This apparently represents the crowning achievement in philosophy for the gun crazies, and even I will admit that there is a shred of truth to it. I would point out, however, that it's a lot easier for people to kill people if they've been out behind the woodshed guzzling "Grandpa's cough syrup" all day.

When I take my children to see a movie, the last thing I need to see is a disheveled malcontent, staggering down the street, bib overalls reeking of moonshine and cigarette smoke, barely able to stand up. When that malcontent is armed with an implement of death, what was previously a public nuisance has suddenly become a serious public threat. There is no reason that a decent society should tolerate this sort of behavior, and that fact that we do is a sad commentary on our nation.


The link between gun owners and far-right militias is both undeniable and scary. These self-described "freedom fighters" are on the public record as saying that they will kill as many innocent women and children as is necessary to "reclaim their God-given rights." Apparently, these groups are fighting for their God-given right to kill women and children, since it is not obvious what other "rights" these lunatics are being denied. These militia groups are overwhelmingly racist and have expressed desires to "cleanse" the country (and indeed, the entire planet) of all persons who are not White, Anglo-Saxon, and Protestant.
This is the face of the American gun nut.


Don't fall into the trap.

These people are hiding behind a smokescreen of false patriotism and "strict constructionist" interpretations of the United States Constitution. But the truth about the average American gun owner is that he is a slobbering fundamentalist alcoholic who would rather shoot you dead than shake your hand. These are people that would rather commit acts of terrorism against their homeland than work within the legal confines of the system to get their message out. These are people who have stockpiles of .50 caliber rifles ready to aim at the heads of our own armed services. They are a violent and traitorous bunch; they spit on the graves of true American patriots, and we cannot afford to be complacent and ignore them.

If ever there was a time in our history to enact true sensible gun control, it is right now. This is still a battle we can win, but if we pretend that this threat doesn't exist, this country will go to hell in a handbasket. One day we'll wake up in a world that resembles Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome and we'll wonder what happened. And you know what I'll say? "Far be it from me to say 'I told you so.'"

The fact of the matter is that the United States Constitution is not written in stone, and those who claim that it is are conveniently forgetting the fact that the Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, gave us a process by which it can be amended. Furthermore, because the amendment process is so convoluted and drawn out, all that we really need is a majority opinion from the United States Supreme Court. The Second Amendment, much like the GPL, has never had its validity fully-tested in the judicial system. When that day comes, I am confident that it and the imagined "rights" that it affords will be exposed as the murderous shams that they are.

At some point, the forces of morality and reason in this country will have the critical mass that is necessary to abolish the Second Amendment. The only question is .. how many more school massacres and Charlton Heston speeches ("from my cold, dead hands") will it take before people finally see the light? The gun crazies will fight us tooth and nail, but we will fight back, and we will win.
 
Wow! What a load of one-sided BS. I love the line, "Heston's 'dream America' might be a country where bullets are zipping through the air like mosquitoes and children are shooting each other dead on the playground for their lunch money, but rational Americas do not share these views."

This is amazing stuff. I never read that Heston wanted school kids to shoot each other in my NRA ballot information. Oh, and I love the lines on how NRA members are "dangerously religious". I won't even go into the teflown coated bullets line. Incredible....
Mauserguy
 
Wow, that's a heck of a Strawman argument!

You've seen the film "The Wicker Man" right? The real one, not the Cage remake. This Strawman is about that size.

-MV
 
Absolute drivel! Now ever gun owner goes around shooting people over arguments in supermarkets, then going through their wallet and running right over to kill their families? I think I'l get on my bibbed overalls and go down to the grocery store for some more cough syrup. :rolleyes:
 
You've seen the film "The Wicker Man" right? The real one, not the Cage remake. This Strawman is about that size.

Ah, The Wicker Man; it represents heathens about as justly as this article represents Americans with guns.
 
Hmmmmmmmm.........lets get a diversity poll to debunk this one. My intentions are not to start a debate but rather shoot holes through this "essay".

They like to claim that "the truth" about guns is nothing to be feared, and that "the truth" is that gun owners are just plain folks, no different from the decent families who work hard and raise their children in a nurturing environment.
But the truth is far from comforting. The truth is terrible.

I do work hard, I do raise my children in a nurturing enviroment.

Heston's "dream America" might be a country where bullets are zipping through the air like mosquitoes and children are shooting each other dead on the playground for their lunch money, but rational Americas do not share these views.

What a line of unsubstantiated bull.

By far, the most inexcusable acts of the NRA are its opposition to bans on assault rifles and Teflon-coated cop-killer bullets. With regards to assault rifles, they have a sole purpose: to kill people. You don't take an AR-15 out with you to go duck hunting. You won't need an Uzi submachinegun and a truckload of 9mm clips to go deer hunting. The defense of the cop-killer bullets (so named because they are designed to penetrate the Kevlar vests worn by policemen) is simply inhuman; it astounds me that a million people are proud to call themselves members of an organization that advocates the violent murder of police officers who have sworn their lives to the defense of the innocent.

The Second Ammendment is not about hunting, and Teflon coated bullets do not penetrate armor.

Gun owners are dangerously religious. I want you to think about this for a minute. Let's say you get into an argument with a gun owner in line at the supermarket. What's to stop him from pulling out a concealed handgun, blowing your head off, getting your home address from your driver's license, going there and murdering your wife and young children, and then taking his own life? Remember, these people believe that all they have to do is "make their peace with the lord and call him savior" and they will be immediately delivered to eternal bliss.

I am atheist

Alcoholism among gun owners occurs at disproportionately high rates. This should be a source of concern to people who are concerned about the safety of their children. The gun crazies like to say that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." This apparently represents the crowning achievement in philosophy for the gun crazies, and even I will admit that there is a shred of truth to it. I would point out, however, that it's a lot easier for people to kill people if they've been out behind the woodshed guzzling "Grandpa's cough syrup" all day.

I am not an alcoholic, and never have been.

The link between gun owners and far-right militias is both undeniable and scary.

I do not belong to, nor have I ever belonged to a militia. I do not know anyone to my knowledge involved with one, and I have no interest with them.

But the truth about the average American gun owner is that he is a slobbering fundamentalist alcoholic who would rather shoot you dead than shake your hand. These are people that would rather commit acts of terrorism against their homeland than work within the legal confines of the system to get their message out.

Um........what do you call the NRA then? How about all the other pro-gun groups that work within the confines of the legal system to get their message out.

The fact of the matter is that the United States Constitution is not written in stone, and those who claim that it is are conveniently forgetting the fact that the Founding Fathers, in their wisdom, gave us a process by which it can be amended.

Indeed, I would like to change the First Ammendment to prevent idiots like this from having freedom of speech.

The gun crazies will fight us tooth and nail

Hey at least he got that right.
 
I have a hard time believing that article is serious and not just designed to be inflamitory. It started out like typical anti-drivel, but by the time I got to this
What's to stop him from pulling out a concealed handgun, blowing your head off, getting your home address from your driver's license, going there and murdering your wife and young children, and then taking his own life? Remember, these people believe that all they have to do is "make their peace with the lord and call him savior" and they will be immediately delivered to eternal bliss.
I couldn't buy that it is/was serious anymore...:rolleyes:
 
This guy is a total idiot.

For example, the NRA was scheduled to hold its 1999 annual meeting in Colorado. However, in the wake of the horrible mass school shooting at Columbine, many people in Colorado pleaded with the NRA to hold its meeting elsewhere. They refused. And when the venerable Charlton Heston (the NRA's past president)

addressed the crowd in Denver, did he have words of regret and remorse for the tragic events? None could be found. Instead, the NRA and the gun industry expressed concern that the tragedy might hurt their image. In other words, the NRA was deeply saddened by the events at Columbine .. not because they particularly cared about the loss of so many innocent lives, but because they thought that they would end up "looking bad."

The annual meeting was in fact a board of directors meeting. The date for the meeting was scheduled a year in advance. The Columbine shooting happened 11 days prior to the meeting. The law requires non-profit organizations to give at least 10 days notice before canceling a board of directors. The NRA could hardly cancel this BOD meeting with only 1 day of notice. They did, however, cancel every non-BOD activity that was scheduled, holding only the BOD meeting they was legally required.

If this **** couldn’t find words of remorse over Columbine he certainly didn't look hard enough. Here is Heston's complete speech: http://www.nrahq.org/transcripts/denver_open.asp

Excerpt: “As you know, we've canceled the festivities and fellowship we normally enjoy at our annual gatherings. This decision has perplexed a few and inconvenienced thousands. I apologize for that.

But it's fitting and proper that we should do this ... because NRA members are, above all, Americans. That means whatever our differences, we are respectful of one another and we stand united, especially in adversity.” Charlton Heston, May 1, 1999. Denver Co.


[T]he NRA has also announced its intention to lobby Congress to get gun indoctrination as a part of the standard public education curriculum for every K-6 student in the country.

NO. The NRA supports teaching GUN SAFETY not indoctrination. Before anti-gunners say that teaching safety IS encouraging gun use, consider liberals that support the teaching of safe sex in school. Would they agree that their teaching of safe sex is sexual indoctrination of the young?

You don't take an AR-15 out with you to go duck hunting. You won't need an Uzi submachinegun and a truckload of 9mm clips to go deer hunting.

ROFLMAO…. You also don’t take a .22 rifle or 30-06 out duck hunting. People do hunt varmint with AR15. As for the UZI analysis, the reason not to hunt deer with a 9mm is that 9mm is a good deer cartridge. This guy, as most gun grabbers doesn't distinguishing between full autos and semi-autos. In fact, this **** goes out of his way to make legal semi-autos look like full-auto machineguns.

Let's say you get into an argument with a gun owner in line at the supermarket. What's to stop him from pulling out a concealed handgun, blowing your head off, getting your home address from your driver's license, going there and murdering your wife and young children, and then taking his own life? Remember, these people believe that all they have to do is "make their peace with the lord and call him savior" and they will be immediately delivered to eternal bliss.

OH MY FRICKEN GOD!!!!

OK. What’s to stop a gun owner from killinhg you with a concealed weapon. Humm… Lets see, how about because we are all LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. As for killing because we religious people only have to ask forgiveness from God, well what about atheists that don’t believe in God or his commandments. They don’t need forgiveness so what’s to stop them from killing.

Alcoholism among gun owners occurs at disproportionately high rates.

A. Where is your source of such a finding?
B. Where is the causation? Just because two things occur together doesn’t make one cause the other. If there is a correlation between two things there could be a third factor that explains both.
C. This statement ignores initial base rates. If there are more gun owners than non-gun owners in the study then it is more likely any given alcoholic is a gun owner than non gun owner.

All this guys shows is that he either he believes what he reads without analyzing the source of that he doesn’t know how to correctly analyze scientific data he does see.
 
I think it could be argued that this could actually help our side. It is so far out in left field that normal, rational people will see it as the insane diatribe that it is. I think something like this could put a fence sitter further on our side.
I feel somewhat sorry for the writer. How pitiful it is to live in a world where you think every shadow, every stranger at the grocery store could be a gun-toting boogeyman only a hair away from comitting mass murder.
 
Don't Waste Your Time on This

It's obviously an inflamatory essay, designed not to make an "intelligent" argument against gun ownership, but instead to irritate gun owners, or perhaps make gun control advocates seem completely crazy, instead of merely ignorant and power-hungry.

The arguments and assertions made are so irrational that the article is actually damaging to the gun control crowd, and would never be used as a tool by those seeking to limit our rights.

Let's move on....
 
I agree it's nothing more than just some guy's sensationalism. I do find it humorous that there are replies to it hailing it as truth.
 
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