Decided to put a reflex sight on my training pistol

[rpenmanparker]

I’m pleased to see we agree about Primary. That is one gorgeous gun.

 

[Coal Dragger]

I think we agree on more than you think. We seem to have been talking past each other a bit quibbling over battery change intervals. We both agree that changing them out well prior to the end of their useful life is a best practice for life saving equipment.

 

[rpenmanparker]

I think we agree on more than you think. We seem to have been talking past each other a bit quibbling over battery change intervals. We both agree that changing them out well prior to the end of their useful life is a best practice for life saving equipment.

Yes, indeed.

 

[Peakbagger46]

Here’s a picture of the setup on my issued pistol. Rear sight (thank God, it’s busy enough in that buggered up little window already) has no dots. Front sight (not pictured, obviously) is a suppressor height night sight.

I don’t see the irons when using the gun, focus is on the target and the dot is “painting” it.

I would like co-witness irons on my training gun, but this whole “transition” has proved costly enough as is.

I’d take back my Glock 22 with irons (and shooting a much better bullet) in a heartbeat, but am willing and able to adapt.

 

[Peakbagger46]

I shot this group the other day at 50y proned, just to see what the gun would do. I honestly believe the low impact on the one shot was due to the cheap ammo; this sight system is that accurate.



Close range “point shooting” and moving while shooting are what I’m struggling with. As in the two things that matter in a gun fight. Hundreds of hours becoming proficient in combat shooting with irons, and now I’m having to reprogram myself around this stupid crowded window thing.

This .22 setup will alleviate cost in training. I’m still going to shoot the magic nine of course, but a bunch of .22 ammo will help a lot.

 

[Coal Dragger]

You’re not giving much of anything up going to 9mm. The .40 S&W just gives more recoil and tears up guns while providing little in the way of increased terminal performance.

The dot is worth learning. You have already discovered that your ability to hit what were previously low probability shots is higher. My own experience has been similar. Go work some low contrast targets, or small targets that can easily get lost in the background with your dot vs irons. You will see a huge difference in your ability to make good hits.

I messed around a few weeks ago at the 50 yard line shooting standing (because that’s just what I do...) on a B27 to see where the pistol was hitting. As it turns out it’s still shooting to the dot. Held a bit high, and it printed right to the dot.

 

[barnetmill]

Here’s a picture of the setup on my issued pistol. Rear sight (thank God, it’s busy enough in that buggered up little window already) has no dots. Front sight (not pictured, obviously) is a suppressor height night sight.

I don’t see the irons when using the gun, focus is on the target and the dot is “painting” it.

I would like co-witness irons on my training gun, but this whole “transition” has proved costly enough as is.

I’d take back my Glock 22 with irons (and shooting a much better bullet) in a heartbeat, but am willing and able to adapt.


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Below is glock milled out to take the RMR

 

[barnetmill]

One big weakness of the glock is that many of them can not turn out target accuracy. I need to spend some time researching this. Adding a new barrel is no guarantee of accuracy. There are limits to what one can do with the trigger and still be safe.

 

[rpenmanparker]

I shot this group the other day at 50y proned, just to see what the gun would do. I honestly believe the low impact on the one shot was due to the cheap ammo; this sight system is that accurate.

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Close range “point shooting” and moving while shooting are what I’m struggling with. As in the two things that matter in a gun fight. Hundreds of hours becoming proficient in combat shooting with irons, and now I’m having to reprogram myself around this stupid crowded window thing.

This .22 setup will alleviate cost in training. I’m still going to shoot the magic nine of course, but a bunch of .22 ammo will help a lot.

I’m confused about your “crowded window” comments. What could be in the window except the dot and the sight picture?

 

[barnetmill]

I’m confused about your “crowded window” comments. What could be in the window except the dot and the sight picture?

Perhaps he means this is busy. It is not for me, but not everyone sees the same.

 

[rpenmanparker]

Perhaps he means this is busy. It is not for me, but not everyone sees the same.

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Well, that is the price you pay for co-witnessing, right? And sI think the more modern window designs like on the Vortex Venom give a more open appearance. The RMR has a bulky look about it that does seem to crowd the window.

Personally I have no interest in co-witnessing or alternative sights in case of failure of the electronic optic. I do appreciate some help with indexing to find the dot. It isn’t necessary, but also can’t hurt. For that some shorter iron sights would do, just tall enough to see in the bottom of the window and indicate when the gun is pointed straight and level. That would open the window up some.

 

[Peakbagger46]

Got to go out and play with the Mark III Vortex Venom setup yesterday. Easy to zero and functionality close enough to my duty weapon to be great for training.

Probably burned through about 3-400 rounds doing a good mix of moving and shooting, rapid fire drills, and attempts at distance precision.

I think I’m starting to get the hang of this system. I’ll continue to shoot the Glock of course, but shooting a lot of .22 should help immensely. And man is the Ruger fun to shoot with the dot!

Here’s ten rounds standing at 50y (IDPA target):

 

[Peakbagger46]