Dick Dahl: Democrats Turn to 'Second Amendment Rights' for Political Gain

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Democrats Turn to 'Second Amendment Rights' for Political Gain
8/4/2004
http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/features/reader/0,2061,573541,00.html
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by Dick Dahl

While it remains to be seen whether a termination of the 1994 assault-weapons ban in September might yet infuse gun control into the 2004 election season, Democrats have moved so far away from the issue that they almost sound like Republicans.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) spoke on the need for the ban's extension during the Democratic National Convention, but her call for Congressional action on gun control has become a rarity within a party that once championed the issue. While the Democratic party platform does call for reauthorization of the ban, it also states that the party "will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms." And Democrat after Democrat, including Presidential nominee John Kerry, has used language about "Second Amendment rights" during their campaigns this season.

Robert J. Spitzer, a political-science professor at the State University of New York at Cortland and author of the book, "The Politics of Gun Control," has noticed the trend and attributes it to lingering perceptions of the 2000 election season. "Some Democrats felt that they were hurt by the gun issue then," Spitzer says. "I was never convinced of that, but some Democrats felt they were being seen as too strongly in favor of gun control and therefore it would make sense for them to emphasize sportsmen's rights and Second Amendment rights."

Sue Ann L. Schiff, executive director of the San Francisco-based Legal Community Against Violence (LCAV), believes that the increasing Second Amendment references by Democrats also reflect something broader: seepage of language that has been used by the gun lobby for many years into more general discourse.

As Schiff and others point out, "Second Amendment rights" is a problematic term because it implies that Americans possess an absolute constitutional right to own and use firearms. This has been the position of the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights organizations for years.

However, even though people may believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to own guns, federal courts have almost unanimously held that the amendment does not ensure any such individual right. Instead, the courts have consistently reaffirmed an interpretation that the amendment's purpose was to protect the power of states to create militias armed with privately owned guns.

It's only been in the last 10 to 15 years that an effort to interpret the amendment differently -- as a guarantor of an absolute individual right to guns -- has gathered significant momentum, fueled in large part by the gun lobby. The NRA, for instance, has given $1 million to the George Mason University School of Law to create and endow a faculty position called the Patrick Henry Professorship of Constitutional Law and the Second Amendment. In addition, the National Rifle Association has recently launched a radio program espousing pro-gun commentary including their interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Joining this movement has been a centrist group, Americans for Gun Safety. Created in 2000, AGS set out to occupy a middle ground in the highly polarized war zone between gun-rights organizations and gun-violence-prevention groups. AGS immediately adopted a position that gun owners are, in fact, protected by the Constitution, although it differed from the gun-rights groups in saying that the Second Amendment doesn't stand in the way of sensible gun laws.

So when the Democratic Party platform was officially adopted at the Democratic National Convention in Boston on July 27, AGS saluted the action as a historic event signifying the willingness of the party to compromise on the gun issue.

While the Democratic Party platform doesn't describe the Second Amendment as an impediment to reasonable gun laws, the way that many Democratic politicians have adopted its language of "Second Amendment rights" might prove costly, some observers believe. "At least for now, the courts have said that the Second Amendment is not an obstacle to gun legislation," says Jon Vernick, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. "But to the extent that politicians are using the language of 'gun rights,' that may make it more difficult to enact sensible gun legislation in the future."

Spitzer, on the other hand, believes that espousing a centrist position on guns might hold limited political benefit for some Democratic candidates. He thinks that Kerry's use of "Second Amendment rights" language might help him in some of the rural swing states "because he's trying to send signals that he's not hostile to responsible gun use," and because it provides little political risk.

But even if there are short-term benefits for Democrats espousing Second Amendment gun rights, what might be the longer-term legislative effects of the centrist approach to gun policies? The NRA, which scoffs at AGS, is notoriously uncompromising. And many gun-violence-prevention activists believe that the best way to deal with the NRA is to be equally uncompromising. In 2001, competing bills that set out to close the "gun-show loophole" were introduced in Congress, with AGS supporting a bill by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.). The McCain-Lieberman bill came under heavy fire from gun-violence-prevention activists as a weak piece of legislation. John Johnson, executive director of Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence, told Join Together Online at the time, "I think that rather than weaken our proposals to get them through Congress, we need to strengthen the Congress." Joe Sudbay, former legislative director at the Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C., said at the time, "If we're going to be in a debate with the NRA and they're not compromising, we're just compromising with ourselves. It's inconsistent with every other progressive issue that exists. And it's detrimental to gun control." In the end, Congress failed to act on any bill to close the loophole.

Now, in voicing its support of a constitutional right to own guns, the Democratic Party is seeking more compromise. They're seeking the political expediency of avoiding the whole story about Constitutional gun rights. "The Democrats just don't feel they can win by telling the truth" about the federal courts' interpretation of the Second Amendment, says Mark Karlin, chairman of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence. "So they just say, 'I support Second Amendment rights.'"

In 2000, a group of 50 prominent academics signed an open letter to Charlton Heston, then president of the NRA, to correct his misstatements about the Second Amendment. "The National Rifle Association's repeated suggestions that the Second Amendment somehow stands in the way of effective and reasonable regulation of guns and gun ownership is a distortion of legal precedent and a disservice to all Americans," they wrote. As former U.S. Supreme Court Justice Warren Burger said in 1991, the idea that the Constitution protects private gun owners is simply erroneous. He chastised the NRA for pushing that interpretation, saying, "(The Second Amendment) has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word 'fraud,' on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime."

Schiff, the LCAV head, concurs with Justice Burger. She is well-versed in what the courts have said about the Second Amendment and "as a lawyer, I'm really disturbed when this rhetoric is being used, when it's not an accurate reflection of the law," she says. Her organization, a public-interest law center that provides legal assistance to support efforts to reduce gun violence, recently expanded nationally and has identified Second Amendment education as its first priority in training a cadre of legal advocates. Schiff said that LCAV will be publishing a pamphlet about the Second Amendment, titled "Setting the Record Straight," later this year.

The challenge for activists who want to set the record straight on the Second Amendment is a difficult one, Schiff acknowledges. "Rights are what people in the U.S. like to talk about," she says. "The trouble is, we haven't found a way to articulate an alternative way of talking about the gun issue in a way that has the same appeal as rights."

But in the absence of a terse sound bite to counter phrases like "gun rights" or "Second Amendment rights," it's still important for activists to point out when misstatements are made, according to Karlin.

"Wayne LaPierre (executive vice president of the NRA) can say whatever he wants about the Second Amendment, but he doesn't cite case law," Karlin says. "It's just his opinion. And the law disagrees with him."
 
gun-rights organizations and gun-violence-prevention groups
what a load of bs. This was the point that I realized this article was crap.

"look at those evil lobbyists who won't give up any of their so called rights to help prevent gun violence" ::hand wringing::

Why can't they call a spade a spade. They are for gun control. "gun violence prevention," "gun safety," and whatever other slogans that attempt to mask their true intent have nothing to do with the issue. Noone's saying gun violence is a good thing, it's a matter of the means to the end. Even if you concede that these people's real goal is to stop gun violence and not just control, you have to look at how their arguments and actions defy logic.

btw, i wonder what the author and his sources would think if someone pointed out that most court rulings oppose the idea of gay marriage (not trying to start a new discussion, just trying to point out the inconsistency of some people)
 
That's the problem with the Constitution. It was phrased as a set of general principles, which wan be twisted and skewed as the prevailing passions allow. We would all be much happier had it been written as case-law, where there is no getting away from the particulars of the case.

E.g. "A private citizen has the right to own military-grade weapons."
 
"Rights are what people in the U.S. like to talk about," she says. "The trouble is, we haven't found a way to articulate an alternative way of talking about the gun issue in a way that has the same appeal as rights."

In other words, it's all a packaging issue. The Constitution is of no consequence.
 
In 2000, a group of 50 prominent academics signed an open letter to Charlton Heston, then president of the NRA, to correct his misstatements about the Second Amendment.

If any of you have ever spent an evening with a bunch of academics, you undoubtedly know how how worthless this statement is. Some of the most mind-numbingly stupid stuff I've ever heard came from "academics" when I was in college. There's nothing most of these people like more than to pose and pontificate, to deconstruct and overanalyze.

I did discover, however, that if you can work the words "hegemone" and "vis-a-vis" into the same sentence, your Political Science prof will like you.
 
I think the whole thing is funny with the Dems.

I mean they really think we gun owners are stupid enough to believe that a rabid anti-gun party who had their politicians butts handed to them in the unemployment line, suddenly support second amendment rights.

I used to feel insulted, but now I just laugh at their stupidity.
 
Gee, we just had some baseball bat violence here. Should we campaign to ban aluminum ball bats? :uhoh:
 
Joining this movement has been a centrist group, Americans for Gun Safety. Created in 2000, AGS set out to occupy a middle ground in the highly polarized war zone between gun-rights organizations and gun-violence-prevention groups.

Is this another AFA?

Joe Sudbay, former legislative director at the Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C., said at the time, "If we're going to be in a debate with the NRA and they're not compromising, we're just compromising with ourselves. It's inconsistent with every other progressive issue that exists. And it's detrimental to gun control."

Well why not? For years they've been trying to get us to believe that "compromise" means "just give us some of your stuff now and we'll pretend like we're not going to tell everyone what bad people you are". Why not try THEM giving up everything and getting nothing in return for a change?
 
Given the record of the past several decades, when a Democrat (esp. a very liberal one) says that he's "for the 2nd Amendment" after having voted consistently to limit our ability to buy the weapons and ammo of our choice, I have trouble swallowing it. The fact that they've sugar-coated a giant turd doesn't make it any more palatable.
 
Welcome, Titus.

As Schiff and others point out, "Second Amendment rights" is a problematic term because it implies that Americans possess an absolute constitutional right to own and use firearms.
Gee, I have always believed that is exactly why we have the 2nd Amend. :rolleyes:
 
However, even though people may believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to own guns, federal courts have almost unanimously held that the amendment does not ensure any such individual right. Instead, the courts have consistently reaffirmed an interpretation that the amendment's purpose was to protect the power of states to create militias armed with privately owned guns.

Speaking of implies... I guess I can see a difference here, but it still implies to me that people are going to have to own guns.
 
Instead, the courts have consistently reaffirmed an interpretation that the amendment's purpose was to protect the power of states to create militias armed with privately owned guns.

so what weapon would a private citizen want to bring to a State Militia call up?
Something shooting 5.56 and fed from .mil standard magazines,
or a "sporting" single shot bolt action 22?
 
Welcome, Titus.

I was going to make the same point. Who exactly do they think is supposed to supply these "privately owned guns"?
 
"Wayne LaPierre (executive vice president of the NRA) can say whatever he wants about the Second Amendment, but he doesn't cite case law," Karlin says. "It's just his opinion. And the law disagrees with him."

While I am probably not the legal scholar that Sciff and Karlin are, the law (and the Constitution, for that matter) agree with LaPierre. The book Supreme Court Gun Cases documents plenty of cases that state or infer that it is an individual right.
 
"Wayne LaPierre (executive vice president of the NRA) can say whatever he wants about the Second Amendment, but he doesn't cite case law," Karlin says. "It's just his opinion. And the law disagrees with him."



The last time I checked, Constitutional law trumped Case law in most cases except maybe in the 9th Circus; and case law in re the 2nd Amendment is probably on borrowed time.
 
As a historian, I have to say that the founding fathers, without any doubt, intended for American citizens to have the right to posess firearms and other weapons. The bit about a militia was pointing out that the arms people should have the right to own are those similar to that of the full time military... Then again the founding fathers were rich white slave owners who didn't want to pay taxes.
 
It's only been in the last 10 to 15 years that an effort to interpret the amendment differently -- as a guarantor of an absolute individual right to guns -- has gathered significant momentum, fueled in large part by the gun lobby.
It's only been since 1968 that there's been any serious attempt to REGULATE semiautomatic, small-bore firearms. What a total idiot. This is pure propaganda. Lies, lies, half-truths, and more lies. The States needed a federal amendment to authorize them to maintain a militia? :rolleyes:

Hogwash.
 
Instead, the courts have consistently reaffirmed an interpretation that the amendment's purpose was to protect the power of states to create militias armed with privately owned guns.
Which means we need privatlely owned firearms for this to work. And they need to be weapons that serve military purposes. Which means that the AWB is STILL, even with this interpretation, unconstitutional
 
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