Did Cowboys have Semi-Autos ( trigger warning )

[Speedo66]

i read that the oil field boom towns were pretty rough. real men ride mules.

Is that extra harness on the rear to stop kicking, or some other purpose?

 

[Speedo66]

Why don't you research just whom was selling Lugers before 1920 and after?. That period in America is not well researched. In a Luger book of mine, one seller, a German/American had exclusive rights to Luger sales in the US, before he was put in a concentration camp during WW1. Post War, Stoeger had importation rights starting in 1923. The book did not date the ad, but I think it is from 1923

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Yeah, but that Luger had a range of 1800 yards, says so right in the ad.

 

[hawg]

not disputing how fast that kid is shooting, but do they not use extremely light powder puff loads in SASS?

Some do, some don't. His loads are really light. No recoil whatsoever. A .22 probably kicks harder than his shotgun.

Is that extra harness on the rear to stop kicking, or some other purpose?

I think you're talking about the double tree setup. It's used to connect two horses or mules to a wagon tongue. The two pieces at the bottom are double trees. One goes behind each horse. Those are connected to a single tree which is connected to the wagon tongue.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Yeah, but that Luger had a range of 1800 yards, says so right in the ad.

1800 total flight time yards! just tip the barrel at a 90 degree angle and will probably get 1800+ yards total travel time

 

[Miguel Loco]

What most of us think of as the "cowboy" life extended well into the 1930's. "Modernization didn't really get started until after WW-2 ended. Many of the western movies based on real life events actually happened in the 1920's and 1930's.

My grandfather died in the late 1960's and never had a driver's license. He was still hitching mules to a wagon to visit neighbors in the early 1950's and 60's. I'm quite sure some of those guys chose semi-autos particularly after being exposed to them during WW-1.

This photo was taken in 1923, the same year my dad was born. We normally only think of this sort of thing in the 1870's but this was a normal thing 50 years later.

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LOL...that stage was a presentation piece. Here's a pic of Ouray dated 1915-1920......not many horses there.....butthere are a couple.....must be a parade.

 

[doubleh]

Maybe in your state, it was still the wild west out here, well into the 20s and later in some locales...[/QUOT

The southeastern corner is referred to as "The Last Frontier". People only began trying to live here staring in about 1915 except for a very few die hard ranchers that found the very few sources of water. A bunch of the early settlers failed and left and some didn't live to leave. Pretty tough going in those early years. The windmill finally made life possible here but it took rain to make a living and that didn't and still doesn't happen a lot of years. My father-in-law grew up around Roswell which was settled quite a bit earlier but it was still a long way to anywhere and a tough row to hoe to make a living. Going unarmed then was a good way to never return home. One of the very most dangerous places to live was the Guadalupe Mountains just to the west of Carlsbad and it stayed that way until well after WW II. A lot of those people would kill you for just looking wrong at them. I grew up about 100 miler east of where I live today and still remember the outhouses in use and I was almost 9 years old before we got electricity in our home.

To be truthful I consider the mid section of NM to still be wild and woolly today. Just look at how many people have been murdered in Albuquerque this year.

 

[crestoncowboy]

I went to my towns Christmas parade this year. Still plenty of horses and a few carraiges. We have horses. I have 10 barns full of yoke harness, single and double trees etc etc. Most of it was before my time but we did use a jackass to plow single or double, right up until the 90s. His name, fittingly, was Jack. We had a 135 massey and an 880 David brown too. In the 60s and early 70s here, lots of People still worked horse teams from what I see in pictures and have heard.

Just putting aside bias against semi autos, what was the price difference in 1910 between the revolvers and a semi auto.

 

[derek45]

Hollywood nonesense but a fun movie

 

[hawg]

Hollywood nonesense but a fun movie

John Wayne didn't like it. He said it destroyed the myth of the old west.

 

[woodnbow]

I went to my towns Christmas parade this year. Still plenty of horses and a few carraiges. We have horses. I have 10 barns full of yoke harness, single and double trees etc etc. Most of it was before my time but we did use a jackass to plow single or double, right up until the 90s. His name, fittingly, was Jack. We had a 135 massey and an 880 David brown too. In the 60s and early 70s here, lots of People still worked horse teams from what I see in pictures and have heard.

Just putting aside bias against semi autos, what was the price difference in 1910 between the revolvers and a semi auto.

My cousin and his son feed a couple hundred cows from a horse drawn sleigh. Lotta work but they love their horses enough to keep them working.

We have a few cap and cartridge Colt Armies from the pre 1899 era in the family. My grandfathers on both sides and their brothers all had various sidearms. My grandpa Fred was a hell of a fine shot with rifle and pistol. My dad brought home a P38 and a P08. He carried a 1911 when he carried a pistol. These men were all ranchers, so cowboy one day, hay farmer and mechanic the next and large animal veterinarian at all times.

 

[hawg]

There's no doubt that there have been cowboys ever since there's been cows. I herded cows on a three wheeler back in the day but I preferred doing it off a horse. I never wore a gun doing it tho. I will say a three or four wheeler is a lot better platform to shoot off of than a horse has ever been or ever will be.

 

[Mark_Mark]

There's no doubt that there have been cowboys ever since there's been cows. I herded cows on a three wheeler back in the day but I preferred doing it off a horse. I never wore a gun doing it tho. I will say a three or four wheeler is a lot better platform to shoot off of than a horse has ever been or ever will be.

and the 4 wheeler doesn’t poop all over the place

 

[N555]

Maybe you took a bath once a week. No indoor plumbing, you went to the well and got water to wash. Dad got in the tub first, kids last. No refrigeration, no AC, drafty and cold buildings. Night time lighting would have been a single wick kerosene lamp.

No phone, no lights, no motor car,
not a single luxury,
Like Robinson Crusoe,
It's primitive as can be.

Works for me.

 

[woodnbow]

and the 4 wheeler doesn’t poop all over the place

Doesn’t eat all year round..

 

[hawg]

Doesn’t eat all year round..

They cost more to feed tho.

 

[woodnbow]

They cost more to feed tho.

Someone asked my dad if he “raised cows” Dad said, “nope, I grow hay.”

 

[crestoncowboy]

Someone asked my dad if he “raised cows” Dad said, “nope, I grow hay.”

Once we got horses we figured out one horse eats 10 cows worth of hay. And they wont even eat that low browed first cutting. Only good stuff will suit them. Lol

We herded cattle on atv as well. The horse works better though, a good horse knows what's going on and is already changing directions before you even know it's needed. Of course a bad horse is already changing direction when it's NOT needed.... or a snake shows up... or it smells a bear.... or a grouse flushes.....

As far as guns and horse, id imagine a horse that is shot off of is pretty well deaf pretty quick. If you had big old ears and someone put their muzzle right between them and fired a few times, I can't imagine it wouldn't do permanent damage quick. I've hunted from horse back and had a buddy (also a heeler in calf roping) who did a lot. There is also the advantage that you can let go completly of a horse and not crash while you shoot, Atv... not so much Because of our roping and riding and shooting, My screen name being "cowboy" is a direct result of a teacher and a girlfriend choosing my first email back when email was new. I said "I'll never have no internet... never have no computer, can't afford it" so they set it up and chose my name. Lol.

I do not now, nor have I ever considered myself a cowboy....I did however pull a calf this week. I had a Glock 10mm on. Blasphemy I know.

 

[StrykerByte.45]

Here in Mew Mexico, we say "It's still the Wild West"

 

[Mark_Mark]

Once we got horses we figured out one horse eats 10 cows worth of hay. And they wont even eat that low browed first cutting. Only good stuff will suit them. Lol

We herded cattle on atv as well. The horse works better though, a good horse knows what's going on and is already changing directions before you even know it's needed. Of course a bad horse is already changing direction when it's NOT needed.... or a snake shows up... or it smells a bear.... or a grouse flushes.....

As far as guns and horse, id imagine a horse that is shot off of is pretty well deaf pretty quick. If you had big old ears and someone put their muzzle right between them and fired a few times, I can't imagine it wouldn't do permanent damage quick. I've hunted from horse back and had a buddy (also a heeler in calf roping) who did a lot. There is also the advantage that you can let go completly of a horse and not crash while you shoot, Atv... not so much Because of our roping and riding and shooting, My screen name being "cowboy" is a direct result of a teacher and a girlfriend choosing my first email back when email was new. I said "I'll never have no internet... never have no computer, can't afford it" so they set it up and chose my name. Lol.

I do not now, nor have I ever considered myself a cowboy....I did however pull a calf this week. I had a Glock 10mm on. Blasphemy I know.

I bought this about a year ago! 1873 10mm with 24 ports!!!

 

[woodnbow]

What most of us think of as the "cowboy" life extended well into the 1930's. "Modernization didn't really get started until after WW-2 ended. Many of the western movies based on real life events actually happened in the 1920's and 1930's.

My grandfather died in the late 1960's and never had a driver's license. He was still hitching mules to a wagon to visit neighbors in the early 1950's and 60's. I'm quite sure some of those guys chose semi-autos particularly after being exposed to them during WW-1.

This photo was taken in 1923, the same year my dad was born. We normally only think of this sort of thing in the 1870's but this was a normal thing 50 years later.

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Grandpa on mom’s side was notoriously frugal. Ran cattle but fed grandma and the kids on venison. He liked poached venison the best… Mom said she was 14 years old before she ever ate beef. ;-)

 

[Mark_Mark]

Here in Mew Mexico, we say "It's still the Wild West"

I agree with that! I driven through New Mexico a few times. Look like the World left it 80years ago.

 

[hawg]

I do miss my horses. I've worked with cattle and horses but I've never been a cowboy.

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

...He liked poached venison the best…

I'll choose venison over beef as well but prefer it smoked or grilled more than poached.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I do miss my horses. I've worked with cattle and horses but I've never been a cowboy.

that’s pretty much a Cowboy right there. I Mark_Mark crest you the honor of COWBOY!

 

[Slamfire]

Here in Mew Mexico, we say "It's still the Wild West"

I believe you can see Australia from the top of Sandia Crest




The WW2 internement camp was the biggest thing to happen to Lordsburg NM.




I was told this eagle was made by Italian POW's



This is a view of the country side, standing beside the Eagle. No one was going anywhere if they got out of the Camp. The distances are so vast.



I don't dream of cattle drives, I dream of the trading posts, gas stations, diners, and motels that existed along Hwy 80 and Route 66 in the late 50's, early 1960's.