Desert Scorpion
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Hey I use to live in california and just heard about this crazy microstamping law, did it ever pass or was it made VOID.
Did that California Microstamping law pass?
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glockman19
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YES.
Try doing a search with, "microstamping".
Try doing a search with, "microstamping".
packnrat
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YES and duce II comming to a state close to you ....very soon.
Desert Scorpion
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When will it take effect
GigaBuist
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On Jan. 1 2010 semi-automatic pistols will be required to comply with the microstamping law if they want to be put onto the approved list.
Pistols that are on the list on Dec 31 2009 won't be required to add the microstamping technology.
Pistols that are on the list on Dec 31 2009 won't be required to add the microstamping technology.
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bg
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And there's one coming VERY SOON on a FEDERAL LEVEL
if pro gunners don't act..>
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200802/NAT20080213a.html
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here in Corruptfornia, Fight it and fight it
big time !
if pro gunners don't act..>
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200802/NAT20080213a.html
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Don't get stuck with this nonsense like we did
here in Corruptfornia, Fight it and fight it
big time !
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ZeSpectre
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Another fine example of what happens when people say "ah right, that'll never happen" and sit back and relax.
Maintaining our rights isn't a "win and we're done" situation, this is a lifelong war of attrition. Stay calm, pick one or two items to focus on, and STAY IN THE FIGHT!
As for you folks in CA. If "they" can get it passed, YOU can get it repealed. Keep fighting!
Maintaining our rights isn't a "win and we're done" situation, this is a lifelong war of attrition. Stay calm, pick one or two items to focus on, and STAY IN THE FIGHT!
As for you folks in CA. If "they" can get it passed, YOU can get it repealed. Keep fighting!
So basically this means, no handguns will be legal to purchase in CA after that date. How many manufacturers are going to add this pointless "feature" just so they can pay $3000 a year just for the RIGHT to sell in CA? The whole thing seems entirely pontless to me, when I kill someone, I will just pick up my shells. Or does it stamp the actual bullet?
Will all cops be required to carry firearms with this technology, or only if they buy their gun after the date? I would think it would be required for law enforcement.
Will all cops be required to carry firearms with this technology, or only if they buy their gun after the date? I would think it would be required for law enforcement.
Augustwest
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Nice to see there are still some innocents around.
I'm not really sure where you're going with that, August. It just seems to me a perfect time for all of the LEO agencies to spend more tax dollars and throw out last years models. What happens if Glock decides not to do it? Do CA cops no longer get to carry them? Oh that's right, police are a "more equal" type of animal, and shouldn't be restricted by pesky things like "laws".
Sixtigers
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Oh, it gets worse. Little known fact:
Any gun--including guns that are already owned--cannot be sold or transferred if it does not have microstamping capability after 2010 in California. That means that you can't give them to your son when you die. You can't sell them. You can only turn them in to the state, or have your heirs do so.
I don't have a source--this is according to my local gun store--the only one left in my town in California. It is owned and ran by the city's vice mayor. He told me that the legislation was sent back to be changed so that weapons prior to microstamping could be transferred/sold, but Arnold signed the bill the way it was initially written.
So...I have two more years in this state, and then I'm moving. I have a great job here, but cannot live under these rules any longer.
It's often been said "How much is enough? What is your breaking point?" That was my breaking point.
Any gun--including guns that are already owned--cannot be sold or transferred if it does not have microstamping capability after 2010 in California. That means that you can't give them to your son when you die. You can't sell them. You can only turn them in to the state, or have your heirs do so.
I don't have a source--this is according to my local gun store--the only one left in my town in California. It is owned and ran by the city's vice mayor. He told me that the legislation was sent back to be changed so that weapons prior to microstamping could be transferred/sold, but Arnold signed the bill the way it was initially written.
So...I have two more years in this state, and then I'm moving. I have a great job here, but cannot live under these rules any longer.
It's often been said "How much is enough? What is your breaking point?" That was my breaking point.
Wow, that is amazing to me that with such an innocent seeming law, they can effectively remove all of the guns from one state. God dam, they are smart. All they have to do is get all of the "feel-goods" to agree that some ridiculous technology is necessary to help catch the .001 percent of the population that commits crime, and then tell manufacturers to implement or or SOL. I can't see any of the big name companies going out off there way to completely redesign the 1911 or the Glock, so that this minor piece of pointlessness can be sold in one or 2 states.
How is it supposed to work anyway? Is it just on the firing pin? Or will we need a completely new redesign on how chambering a round even works? Does it stamp the bullet or just the shells? Cause as I stated, it is really not that hard to grab shells at a crime scene. And what about revolvers? Will they pass a law that you have to empty your cylinder on the ground after you shoot someone?
How is it supposed to work anyway? Is it just on the firing pin? Or will we need a completely new redesign on how chambering a round even works? Does it stamp the bullet or just the shells? Cause as I stated, it is really not that hard to grab shells at a crime scene. And what about revolvers? Will they pass a law that you have to empty your cylinder on the ground after you shoot someone?
Magnuumpwr
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I can see reloadable brass going up in price in "Kaliphornia"! Also, possible rise in bullet casting dies along with bore cleaning products. Prior to that happening in Texas, I would hope it would secede from the union. A nation in itself. That has a nice ring to it.
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It stamps the bullet. I dont really see how this is a problem unless you plan on actually killing people. If you do, I think gun laws are the least of your problems.
What people need to worrie about is when someone figures out how to change the info that their gun prints. At that point it would be very easy to frame someone.
if the microstamping is done via the firing pin, how much would that drive up gun prices?
Another question: how will it affect ammo prices if they also choose to do the one where they stamp it onto the cartridge by a machine instead of by firing pin? We all know they'll be driven up, but by how much?
also, a simple filing down or a bag of the port, as I and others have said a million times, are the first ways around this
Another question: how will it affect ammo prices if they also choose to do the one where they stamp it onto the cartridge by a machine instead of by firing pin? We all know they'll be driven up, but by how much?
also, a simple filing down or a bag of the port, as I and others have said a million times, are the first ways around this
This law will essentialy keep CA with whatever firearms are on the list prior to 2010 and continue to pay thier annual extortion fee to remain on the list.
Few new firearms will come out that comply, and they will likely give up reliability, brass life etc to accomplish the task.
Several things make it pointless. Not least of which will be the fact that numerous individuals will still retain firearms without such requirements, police will be exempt (wouldn't you expect public servants to be the first required to comply with something designed to track thier shootings) and brass with various serial numbers will be freely available to swap and pick up at ranges and other locations for use by criminals and to leave at crime scenes.
Revolvers will still exist etc
Innocent people will be "linked" to crimes, and people will be no safer than they are now. The sole effect will be additional infringement on California's legal gun owners. That of course is the purpose.
A piece that will be subject to wear and become less effective over time, especialy if made of softer metal to allow gun makers machinery to easily stamp the part?
Such legislation could also turn involved parts into restricted components. If firing pins, barrels, breech faces or other parts used to accomplish the stamping can be freely swapped the registered stamping is undone. If such items must then be transfered through FFLs and comply with CA law at a later date to keep that from happening component prices will greatly increase, and may accompany FFL fees etc by requiring FFl transfer.
Just buying such components from the internet at the best price might not be possible a few years after this law takes effect.
Many aftermarket part manufacterers with an already limited customer base and profit margin will not likely tool up to comply with CA microstamping, and will just not sell such components if they are restricted to CA residents.
There is a great many problems with this law, and not all of them are limited to just what is actualy worded into the law, but include additional legislation which will be required to even effectively implement the desired effect of the microstamping law.
Few new firearms will come out that comply, and they will likely give up reliability, brass life etc to accomplish the task.
Several things make it pointless. Not least of which will be the fact that numerous individuals will still retain firearms without such requirements, police will be exempt (wouldn't you expect public servants to be the first required to comply with something designed to track thier shootings) and brass with various serial numbers will be freely available to swap and pick up at ranges and other locations for use by criminals and to leave at crime scenes.
Revolvers will still exist etc
Innocent people will be "linked" to crimes, and people will be no safer than they are now. The sole effect will be additional infringement on California's legal gun owners. That of course is the purpose.
How much will taking a part that is little more than a nail and turning it into a precision stamp with little serial numbers or other identifyign marks change things?
A piece that will be subject to wear and become less effective over time, especialy if made of softer metal to allow gun makers machinery to easily stamp the part?
Such legislation could also turn involved parts into restricted components. If firing pins, barrels, breech faces or other parts used to accomplish the stamping can be freely swapped the registered stamping is undone. If such items must then be transfered through FFLs and comply with CA law at a later date to keep that from happening component prices will greatly increase, and may accompany FFL fees etc by requiring FFl transfer.
Just buying such components from the internet at the best price might not be possible a few years after this law takes effect.
Many aftermarket part manufacterers with an already limited customer base and profit margin will not likely tool up to comply with CA microstamping, and will just not sell such components if they are restricted to CA residents.
There is a great many problems with this law, and not all of them are limited to just what is actualy worded into the law, but include additional legislation which will be required to even effectively implement the desired effect of the microstamping law.
id move there :-D
other than the proposed methods of paying for this technology, and the fact that it places another huge burden on business that manufacture the ONE tangible piece of property that is guaranteed by the constitution... yeah i can see no problems at all /sarcasm off
QuarterBoreGunner
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Actually the proposal is for stamping of the case and primer; it's a load of nonsense - anyone with half a brain and any sort of firearms know how realizes that this is easily defeatable - plus there's no provision for revolvers; this is for semi-autos only. Such a waste of time and money.
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There already is enough of a burden on the manufactures which is why some like STI dont sell guns here. I'd rather have the government do something like this than just ban the damn guns in general. They might be more expensive but atleast you can still buy them without having to find loop holes in the laws just to get them in your state.
That is a very naive outlook.
It does not stamp the bullet, that is already accomplished according to most forensic experts by the "unique" rifling of every firearm. (which is not really that unique, but since not many guns are shooting people in a given area is effective enough.)
It stamps the casing. It will increase the price of gun components, manufactuer prices, and very well may likely result in additional legislation to restrict aftermarket parts involved in the stamping process such as barrels, firing pins, and other parts of the firearm that come into contact with the case like the slide's breech face.
That would outlaw or restrict many affordable repair components, and make customization of a firearm more tedious and expensive or not available to CA residents involving those parts.
As for learning how to change the "prints" to frame others? Anyone with some basic machining skills could accomplish that, even by hand with hand tools most people have.
It may also lead to aquital of many otherwise solid cases. If a criminal drops stamped casings they got from a local range or outdoors at a crime scene in the proper caliber, especialy if fired from a similar model firearm that otherwise matches the forensics it would cause reasonable doubt in a jury and likely lead to aquitals.
So it is actualy the individuals that are planning to illegaly kill people who can benefit the most from this law.
rockinrussky
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IN response to Darthbauer: ORRR, I'd rather just not have any stupid laws like this. In fact, its laws like the Microstamping and others that incrementally allow states like California to eventually wipe out guns altogether. This will make it more expensive no doubt about it, and it sets a dangerous precedent all in the name of 'safety.' Keep in mind that everytime they do this there is no outright ban, just like the 1934 NFA wasn't an outright ban on full autos, but it was very obviously a step in that direction. Next thing you know in a matter of decades these 'safety regulations' will be a preamble to making handguns all but impossible to obtain, much like the class 3 firearms are now.
M14/11B
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I have lived in California since I was seven...this is how your car got to have all the smog crap on it, requiring manufacturers to start out with PCV valves-then EGR valves-then catalytic converters and on and on. If the car makers had just said hell no they would have backed down on this stuff too. As it is, they just chew of a little at a time until its all gone. I'm leaving this state when I retire! I'm sick of idiots telling me what and when I need something. BTW, the best thing ever done for air quality in this country was removing lead from gas...not all the smog controls.
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