Microstamping ammo myths, MMM

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Well, we only got an A- from the Brady report card, but we are working on making it better. Coming soon to a Legislature near you.
It don't stop.
Must attack. This from their site.
http://www.millionmommarch.org/ca/ab352myths.pdf

Vick
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California AB 352 (Microstamping):
Myths and Facts


Myth #1: California already has good gun laws. Why do we need this law?

Fact: Microstamping will help enforce – and reinforce – California’s good gun laws by stopping those who try to evade them.
California’s laws are a model for the rest of the nation. California has passed laws that require a Brady background check for each gun transfer, child safe storage of guns, consumer product safety standards, limits on bulk sales of handguns, restrictions on gun access by domestic violence offenders, and other laws.

As a result, between 1993 and 2002, California:
· cut gun homicide by 48% (vs. a 40% U.S. reduction);
· cut gun suicide by 37% (vs. a 19% U.S. reduction);
· cut its total rate of gun deaths by 44% (vs. 31% in the entire U.S.).

Microstamping will help to enforce these good laws so that we can continue to reduce gun deaths in California by solving more gun crimes and deterring gun trafficking. No arrest is made in about 45 percent of California homicides because police lack the evidence they need to initiate an investigation, arrest the perpetrator and obtain a conviction. That is why California law enforcement officials are telling the legislature they need the new crime-solving tools that AB 352 will provide.
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Myth #2: AB 352 will make handguns without a microstamp illegal.

Fact: AB 352 only applies to newly designed and manufactured handguns. Existing
handguns and existing handgun models would not be affected.
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Myth #3: The purpose of AB 352 is to discourage lawful ownership of guns.

Fact: AB 352 is just another tool for law enforcement to use in solving handgun
crimes and preventing gun trafficking. Law abiding gun owners would not be impacted
by this law.
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Myth #4: AB 352 is basically a user tax on handgun owners in California.

Fact: Microstamping will not cost the state of California anything. No new database
is required. California already has a system for tracking the serial numbers of guns
transferred in California, through the DROS (Dealer Record of Sale) process. The
casing expelled from a handgun equipped with a microstamp will refer to the serial
number of the handgun. When a casing is recovered at the scene of a crime with a
microstamp, law enforcement will simply reference the existing database.
Manufacturers will incur modest costs to adopt the new technology, The cost is
relatively low and can be spread out over many years and many handguns. If the cost
of the technology is passed on to the consumer, it is expected to be less than one
percent of the cost of the handgun.
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Myth #5: Criminals will defeat the technology by filing down the firing pin.

Fact: If criminals try to file down the tiny numbers engraved on the firing pin, they are
likely to make the gun inoperable. In addition, there are multiple back-up systems built
into the microstamp technology.
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Myth #6: The technology won’t work over time because the firing pin will wear down.

Fact: Independent testing by a forensic technologist has shown that the engraved
characters on the firing pins are extremely durable and will not wear down over time.
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Myth #7: Microstamping won’t reduce crime because criminals will get guns no matter
what -- either through a straw buyer, an illegal purchase, or theft.

Fact: Once straw buyers in California understand that a crime committed with a
trafficked gun could be traced to them, they will think twice before buying new
handguns for gun traffickers. This will help cut off a big source of crime guns. AB 352, will not, of course, eliminate criminal access to guns. It is, however, a valuable tool, like fingerprinting and DNA testing, to help police investigate, arrest and convict people who use semiautomatic handguns in crimes and to deter straw buyers who may supply gun traffickers.
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Myth #8: Criminals will implicate innocent people by putting casings fired by other
handguns at the scene of a crime.

Fact: If criminals were going to do this, they already would be doing it in order to fool the existing ballistic identification system known as NIBIN, but they are not. Given that most criminals do not even do routine things like remove license plates from stolen cars or wear gloves during burglaries, it is not likely that they will have the foresight to leave bogus casings at the scene of a crime.
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Written by Griffin Dix, Ph.D.
President, California Million Mom March Chapters of the Brady Campaign to Prevent
Gun Violence
With the Brady Campaign and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

See: www.MillionMomMarch.org/CA
i See the research that shows why these laws work: “Factsheet: Firearm Injury and Death in the United
States” www.jhsph.edu/gunpolicy
ii Forensics expert Lucien Haag conducted tests of the technology and concluded that the microstamp
was easily readable on all types of bullet casings tested after hundreds of rounds.
 
Myth #5: Criminals will defeat the technology by filing down the firing pin.

Fact: If criminals try to file down the tiny numbers engraved on the firing pin, they are
likely to make the gun inoperable. In addition, there are multiple back-up systems built
into the microstamp technology.

Huh? Firing pins on most handguns can be replaced in about 10 min. Filing off the surface of the pin is easy and will cause no problems with operation of the gun. Multiple backup systems? What is he talking about?

Hmm, he almost sounds like someone who doesn't even remotely have a clue and has probably never handled a gun in his life, and yet he's an expert in it, just like I'm an expert pilot, violinist, and nuclear reactor operator.
 
microstamping is great

for criminals.

If I was going to shoot someone and there is microstamping, I would go to a range and collect some LE spent brass and leave them at the scene:evil:

if this stupid law is passed it leaves alot of possibillities open for creative protest, it will really bite them in the hind quarters
 
The claims of "myth" #3, that this isn't a tool to discourage lawful ownership, are flat-out dishonest. How exactly are all these special manufacturing changes to comply with this legislation going to affect the prices of firearms? Higher prices. A sneaky way to make those firearms economically unobtainable. As good as an outright ban for poorer folks, same as the "Saturday Night Special" claptrap.

...and "myth" #4? Comedy gold:

Fact: Microstamping will not cost the state of California anything. No new database
is required.

and

Manufacturers will incur modest costs to adopt the new technology, The cost is
relatively low and can be spread out over many years and many handguns.


Everyone who believes that... I got the deed to this bridge in Brooklyn here...
 
Lawgiver

just wait until they decide you must send your guns in to have your owner number engraved in the chamber

it's for the children

Herman Ferguson: Dredd? What are you doing here?
Judge Dredd: I was convicted of a crime. Wrongly.
Herman Ferguson: [laughs] That's kinda weird! What are the odds? Two wrongly convicted guys sitting right next to each other.?
Judge Dredd: You received the sentence the law required.
Herman Ferguson: Five years? Just for saving my own ass? That was a mistake!
Judge Dredd: The law doesn't... make mistakes.
Herman Ferguson: Really? Then how do you explain what happened to you? You can't, can you? Great. Mr. "I am the law" can't. So maybe this is some kind of typo. Maybe it's a glitch. Or maybe it's *poetic justice*.
 
Once straw buyers in California understand that a crime committed with a
trafficked gun could be traced to them, they will think twice before buying new
handguns for gun traffickers.

Hey, isn't this already illegal, so what's the deterent ???? Oh, I know, yes, they'll be on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION !!!!

:banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead:

Id10ts.......
 
I'm glad I don't live in Kalifornistan, but if I did, I would load up on non-microstamping firing pins and extractors and barrels now for whatever guns I may think of owning in the future.

Although if something like that came about, I would also ONLY shoot revolvers and be extremely judicious with my used brass.

Imagine: hiking in the north cascades with a modest but trusty autoloader on your hip. A mountain lion jumps your dog. You draw and shoot as the tussle moves towards you, since you fear for your safety (and your dog's too). Lion drops dead, you can't find all your brass.

3 months later some SanFran treehuggers are up there and find your brass and give it to the police (with microstamp still on it).

Did you do anything wrong? No....But you're sure gonna pay for defending yourself. Unless you swapped the extractor, firing pin and barrel. But, there could be an identifier code on the breach face too. Might as well get a replacement slide while you're at it.

Revolver all the way, baby.

BTW, when will californians decide that reloading needs to be illegal? Obviously gang bangers go out and get Dillon 650's and load up their 9mm handguns with AP rounds with this equipment, right?
 
California’s laws are a model for the rest of the nation. California has passed laws that require a Brady background check for each gun transfer, child safe storage of guns, consumer product safety standards, limits on bulk sales of handguns, restrictions on gun access by domestic violence offenders, and other laws.

I find myself missing the beaches and temperate climate less and less.
 
They should microstamp the bumpers of California registered vehicles. Red lights and stop signs don't mean much here anymore so when you get nailed in a crosswalk they can read the stamp on your carcass and find the perp. If you haven't driven in CA let me tell you, that will cut down on violent deaths!
 
On most days in America, someone dies because a shooter does not know a bullet is hidden in the chamber of a gun. Why does this continue, when we know that safer gun designs would prevent many of these deaths? Because in 1972, when Congress set up the Consumer Product Safety Commission, it stipulated that firearms would be exempt from regulation by the commission. Consequently, gunmakers have failed to build needed safety features into their guns. Now, legislation sponsored overwhelmingly by Republicans in Congress would give the gun industry blanket immunity from lawsuits brought because of the gun industry's irresponsible conduct.

He's too stupid to teach his kids the first thing in town about safety, so Congress should leave an industry subject to the predations of leftist extremists.

Lenin surely would have understood, but I certainly don't.
 
On most days in America, someone dies because a shooter does not know a bullet is hidden in the chamber

SO TREAT EVERY GUN LIKE IT HAS A BULLET HIDDEN IN THE CHAMBER

every gun is loaded so just don't point it at someone you don't wish to kill.
 
This guy has lost his son in a stupid case of parental negligence. Sorry to say, but his son's friend's dad should have kept that gun LOCKED.

Chamber safety disconnects are one of those great safety features that make the gun less safe. If I pull the trigger, it's because I want to shoot something.
 
Attention criminals: Revolvers don't spit brass.

There, problem solved. Next.
 
Coming soon to California:

We must ban revolvers that maintain a design flaw which allows fired brass to remain within the revolvers cycliner. What we must have are revolvers equiped with an ejection chamber so that the gun's microstamped bullet casing can be ejected. Then in the event the firearm is illigally discharged the used casing left behind will be capable of tracing the bullet fired back to the gun and its owner. We need this imediately..... FOR THE CHILDREN!!! :neener:
 
LOL oh LOL

Re:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...d=ptxt&s1=5,878,155&OS=5,878,155&RS=5,878,155

There have been other methods to permanently identify humans. During the holocaust, the Nazis tattooed the arms of Jews with a unique identifying number. On an episode of the "X-FILES," a fictional television program on the FOX television network, a human was abducted by aliens who conducted experiments on the abductee. In order to permanently tag the abductee, the aliens etched a unique bar code onto one of the abductee's teeth. Neither of these methods is practical for marking humans for electronic sale transaction purposes. First, social conscience dictates that any permanent marking of humans not be conspicuous, such as a visible numbering on an arm like the holocaust victims. Second, the bar code must be long enough, large enough, and accessible enough to make the transaction efficient. Thus bar codes on teeth would not be practical because of the limited size of the teeth and the embarrassment caused by sales personnel placing scanning equipment in a customer's mouth.
 
But the gun's design had tricked him.

Why do these idiots act like the gun is alive and hid a round in the chamber? Putting an illegal immigrant into your dashboard is tricking customs and border patrol because THEY AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THERE! A bullet? In a gun? Who knew???:cuss:
 
As a result, between 1993 and 2002, California:
· cut gun homicide by 48% (vs. a 40% U.S. reduction);
· cut gun suicide by 37% (vs. a 19% U.S. reduction);
· cut its total rate of gun deaths by 44% (vs. 31% in the entire U.S.).

Microstamping will help to enforce these good laws so that we can continue to reduce gun deaths in California by solving more gun crimes and deterring gun trafficking.

And the low number of cars and bars in Afghanistan gives them the lowest drunk driving rate on the planet.

Cool place to live, eh?

"less guns, less gun deaths." Well, sure...but that's less DEFENSIVE shootings too, and doesn't stop criminals from using other weapons. Anyone got the rates with ALL WEApONS handy to compare?

And how are we going to microengrave my kitchen knife?
 
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