California does it again: passed the ammo bill.

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I have a better idea. No gun manufacturers sell any new guns in California, especially to state and local law enforcement agencies. Cut off any distributors who violate this policy.

I wonder how the CHP would like to carry tomahawks on their belts and have a bow and arrow in the trunk?
 
To those that keep saying that this is a Cali fight and that it's a lost cause are not looking at the bigger picture. This might be just about Cali now, but if this passes it will have repurcussions across the US. Typical anti gun states across the union will take the lead on passing their own version of this. It may START with Cali, but states like Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey etc. will very quickly follow suit. If to many states get on board it will only be a matter of time before this hits the federal level. Everyone thought the Assault Weapons Ban was bad, imagine this on a national level. Some will scoff, but it will come down to whether the Dems take over the legislature come November.

As to getting all the gun manufactures on board and forcing them to stand up to Cali, I don't see it happening. While some or even most may stand up, there will always be one or two that will see dollar signs and a way to make some fast cash by stepping in.

I think those of us that live in these anti gun states need to pay very close attention to what happens here. It's basically in our future if it passes
 
Rockrivr1 is right.

It's not just a CA fight.

Those of us leaving are not just leaving so we can get an AR-15, though.
 
if I (as a citizen of Colorado) were to email some California politicritter and ask him/her to vote one way or another on a bill, does this have any impact? Or will s/he just look at my email and think "Who does this Coloradoan think he is telling Californians how to vote!?"
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When you write to them, do so as a former or potentially future resident if that's a honest position to take.
 
As to getting all the gun manufactures on board and forcing them to stand up to Cali, I don't see it happening. While some or even most may stand up, there will always be one or two that will see dollar signs and a way to make some fast cash by stepping in.
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Glock, S&W, and Colt come to mind immediately.

It's really too bad, because after Ronnie Barrett told FedGov that if the .50 BMG rifle ban passed he'd cut off sales to all Federal LE agencies that bill got left in a Congressional committee to die. If the handgun manufacturers had half of Barrett's backbone, none of this would be an issue.
 
Uh, pax, we’ve been fighting this bill and will continue to fight it. In fact, I’m pretty sure the matter has been discussed here on the High Road on more than one occasion. Of course, it’s also an ongoing issue at CalGuns.

Nevertheless, the odds are stacked against us. Any anti-gun bill that can’t be stopped in committee is almost guaranteed to pass in a floor vote, because the Democrats hold an institutional majority in the Legislature. The problem, you see, goes far beyond the battle over the right to arms.

~G. Fink
 
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Which company do you think would want to be put out of business because no one will buy their products? Wonder how California agencies would feel if they knew that the firearms they're carrying now are the last ones they'll ever get?
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No doubt there will be a bloc of California legislators who will make a case for why California law enforcement will be more "enlightened" if they disarm.

No, this is not just about California, and, yes, it is just one more beachhead. The gun grabbers stay awake dreaming of new and insidious ways to disarm us.

Those of us who plan to leave California aren't just about wanting an AR or an AK, but we are looking for a place to make a stand, make no mistake about that. We know what's coming because we can see it here NOW.
 
It is time for the letter-writting campaign to start!

Us non-cali gun owners will not do much good writing to CA lawmakers but we CAN write Glock, SIG, Kimber, Colt, Bushmaster, and S&W. Tell them that if this legislation passes and they continue to support California we will stop supporting them.

Heck, lets get adds published in the Gun Rags and include list of companies that sell to CA state agencies. Even if we can get one or two to come on board it will make a significant impact on CA. If their are only 2-3 companies dealing with CA then they won't have to bid as low and CA will pay more.:evil:

The only way to win is to hit them where it hurts, in the $$$.
 
I think people are missing something here. Everyone is saying "Why didnt you guys do something about this?!"

What exactly can we do? Democrats control everything here. The general populace support the Democrats. Even if every gun owner in CA wrote a letter, it wouldnt have made a difference. Many people see legislation like this as "Common Sense" gun control.. especially when you got the Police behind it.

Im sorry, but Cali is lost. Convincing the people and government here to become pro-gun would be like convincing the KKK to accept blacks as equals. It just isnt gonna happen.. ever.

Like I said before, I suprised they havent found a way to completely outlaw private firearm ownership here.
 
Convincing the people and government here to become pro-gun would be like convincing the KKK to accept blacks as equals. It just isnt gonna happen.. ever.
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Membership in the KKK is down a tad since the '50s and '60s, though, isn't it?

California is lost because you can't change groups with a mentality like the KKK, which anti-gunners certainly have.

However, one person at a time, you can perhaps get people to LEAVE the KKK. It's hard to be a racist when some of your family's best friends are black and you go to social gatherings with them, and it's hard to be a rabid anti-gunner when some of your favorite people own guns, and when you go shooting with them.

That, no matter where you are, is the way to win this and every similar battle.
 
Good points. It just seems like the task is too daunting.

It's sad that guns have to be such a political issue. The opinions are clearly drawn down party lines.

Democrats = Guns Bad
Republicans = Guns OK

For the average Californian, guns arent important enough to make them switch parties.
 
For the average Californian, guns arent important enough to make them switch parties.
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. . . or move to a gun friendlier state and try to move congressional seats.

Depending on the cost of implementation of this provision, we well could see the manufacturers have to draw the line somewhere. If they have to move their price points for the whole country just so they can sell guns in California, the market may decide. I, for one, hope that I don't get forced to pay for least common denominator guns.
 
If any gun manufacturer wants to spent millions or billions of dollars developing micro lasers and whatever else that stupid ass law calls for just to pander to the communists on the coast they should just file for bankruptcy and save everyone in free America the hassle of putting them out of business.

I will not pay inflated prices on non-California firearms just to cover the costs of appeasing the gun grabbing commies.

If they can develop a laser that compact that can sear metal who the hell needs firearms? They should sell larger versions of the laser instead. It'd also be out of the jurisdiction of the ATF as well.
 
Next they should make it illegal to pick up brass off the ground. That way criminals would have no way of taking the evidence from the crime scene. :rolleyes:
 
I believe this is actually just another attempt to outlaw all guns :fire: . I don't believe the technology actually exists yet, and as pointed out, is ridiculous :barf: . I doubt that manufacturers will spend the money to comply, effectively stopping sales of auto-loaders in the state.

I hope the manufacturers also refuse to sell to police agencies as well.

So, which auto-loader sould I purchase next?
 
You can fight all you want, and you should, but it will make no difference. Why? Nationally the Dems who voted anit-gun lost in elections, teaching them a lesson in what the people want. In CA this does not apply because Feinstein and the rest will keep getting elected no matter what - and keep passing this BS. Since I left in '02 it sure hasn't gotten better and it will not. Either get out with the rest of us who're enjoying full gun freedom or find a way to replace those politicians. If that doesn't happen it will only get worse.

I believe this is actually just another attempt to outlaw all guns
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Of course it is. There is no interest in this stopping crime, that's just the "excuse" for the bill. It targets gun companies and legal gun owners, like all the "anti-crime" CA bills.
 
So when the police retrieve the bullet casing at a crime scene, they can quickly track down the legal owner of the handgun that fired it.
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Did they ever consider that, if it's probably going to be a crime weapon, it's probably going to be used by someone who illegally acquired the gun, and the "tracing" of the "legal" owner is rendered worthless? :rolleyes:
 
You can always sign the one click e-mail to the Assembly
without giving your residence. Something like below.
Just about anything positive will help. I hope.

"Name"
"Concerned & Voting Citizen"

Remember, this isn't just Ca. Like a cancer
this bill if passed and signed will continue to
ease it's way until it consumes all. If you think
it won't happen in your state you may be right
for the time being...

But what if the House & Senate fall to the Dems
and one of those people come up with this in
a Federal bill....and it passes ? Do you trust the
current Admin not to sign it into law ? AB 352
could turn into the spark the Nat'l anti gun front
needs to further a Fed gun banishment agenda.
Just look at the current Atty Gen of the U.S. Do you
trust him regarding gun laws ?

Anyway if you would, please send a one click to
the Assembly on AB 352. The end of the yr for
both the Senate & Assembly is next week I believe.
Again..>

http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml#contactinfo
 
I think contacting the manufactures would do just as good as contacting their representatives, and govenor. Look at Barret for example they now refuse to sell to any California government agency. Find out what manufacturers supply the respective agencies within the state and let them know that those who sell to Kali law enforcement after this horse **** has passed will lose our business. Not just the business of Kali residents but all of us and anyone we know. The manufactures could put up a better fight than us, and if they start losing $ in national sales that may provide the motivation to do so.
 
This should be a hoot-

Wait until some LEO has to use his/her weapon in a justified shooting and then get sued for using an "unsafe handgun" that's not on the list.


If a handgun was safe, it wouldn't be a very good handgun.
 
I endorse the idea that we lean on the gun industry.

Glock's guns have no magazine disconnect and currently have no cartridge marking apparatus, but I bet they still sell to CA law enforcement. Same with Beretta. I think all 1911's are the same way, but Kimber loves to brag about selling to LAPD SWAT or some other agency.

Glock
Kimber
Smith & Wesson
Beretta
Springfield Armory
Sig Sauer
Heckler & Koch
Ruger
Remington
Colt
Savage

I bet all these companies sell to CA LE agencies.
 
one more reason for me to not live in California

Yall northern cali people need to break off from southern cali, we give southern cali to the mexicans and keep the northern part

sounds good to me
 
Yall northern cali people need to break off from southern cali, we give southern cali to the mexicans and keep the northern part
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You are, of course, high right now, right?:rolleyes:

Look at this map, consider where the population centers are, and see if you really think you want to stick with that plan. (Note the California Democrats are NOT libertarian-leaning when it comes to anything but gay marriage, and maybe pot, though oddly, I've spoken with a number who smoke too much themselves, but still think it should be illegal for other people.)

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http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2004/11/2004_election_county-by-county/
 
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