California does it again: passed the ammo bill.

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I don't agree that Cali is a lost cause, and I don't think people should bail out.
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What do you really know about it?

By staying, we're just adding to the number of electoral votes that go to an anti-gun candidate for President, and giving financial support to the state that will keep doing what it's doing, regardless.

This has been going on long enough, for me, anyway.
 
The new technology, microstamping, uses powerful lasers to make extremely precise, microscopic engravings on a handgun's firing pin or inside the firing chamber. These engravings reference the serial number of the handgun. When a bullet is fired from the handgun, the marks are transferred to the bullet casing. So when the police retrieve the bullet casing at a crime scene, they can quickly track down the legal owner of the handgun that fired it.
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The leftists reveal themselves in this statement. What good does tracking the legal owner have to do with solving crimes?

This is not a crime-fighting bill. It is a subject-control bill. Yield, all you subjects of the People's Republic of California, or be destroyed by your masters!
 
So, how does this law help me if I'm shot with a stolen weapon?

Sometimes I wish Southern California and Long Island would drift out into their respective oceans and sink.
 
THIS IS JUST THE STUPIDITY THAT...

:cuss: This is exactly the stupidity that causes Democrats to loose elections and yet...THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY LOOSE! If the Gov signs this POS...he can kiss his political career goodbye (I'm thinking he's smart enough to know this, just as GW Bush knew the assualt weapons ban would have ended his political career). How THICK can a party or person be that they cannot understand the majority of the American public will not tolerate this garbage (especially when the majority OWNS FIREARMS). It is good that they bring this up in an election year. It stands to remind us all of Klinton and his bunch of gun grabbing idiots. If you don't learn from history...you are condemed to repeat it. Looks like we're in for another bout of election year antics of gun control and stealing elections...remember to vote for your GUNS.:banghead:
 
The purpose of this law is to make a lot of money for someone well-connected, who invented something that has no real value. If signed, this law will force people to give him money, and he'll get rich, off something that the marketplace didn't want.

Next time some idiot tells you that the Democrats are for the little guy against the rich and powerful, think about what these laws REALLY do.
 
So, how does this law help me if I'm shot with a stolen weapon?
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It helps you because the lazy, stupid gun owner that allowed his gun to be stolen will surely be punished now!



Anyway, Californians (especially California Republicans) need to inundate Arnie with letters, emails, calls and personal visits from y'all telling him that if he doesn't veto this crap this will be his last term.
 
I think Cali gun owners have done a great job, and take alot of crap from people in "free" states. Few states have a more effective grassroots system than Cali - those in "free" states will someday realize they, too, need to learn from Cali's experience and legislative accumen.

Further, the question, at this point, is not why haven't Cali owners done this or that, but why haven't non-Cali owners helped them out. I would bet my S&W 24, that over 9 out of 10 people harping on Cali-owners have done nothing to help them out in any way. That is unaccecptable.

What firms provide arms for LAPD, CHP, and all the other acronyms that I can't think of right now? Who provides ammunition? Calls to NRAIL, GOA, NSSF, JPFO, and all of these acronyms must be made.
 
Loss of gun rights in California is, though vitally important to those of on this forum, only minor background noise in terms of what is evolving in California, at least in terms of what preoccupies the people who live here. California is giving birth to the new America, and that will be an ethno-socialist soft dictatorship that should be carefully studied as a harbinger of what the rest of this country can look forward to unless we get both new leadership and a new level of citizen involvement.
 
Loss of gun rights in California is, though vitally important to those of on this forum, only minor background noise in terms of what is evolving in California, at least in terms of what preoccupies the people who live here. California is giving birth to the new America, and that will be an ethno-socialist soft dictatorship that should be carefully studied as a harbinger of what the rest of this country can look forward to unless we get both new leadership and a new level of citizen involvement.
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Now longeyes, we may disagree on some fine points sometimes here, but this post is one of the the most dead-on, concise summaries of the California situation that I have ever read, anywhere.

Everyone who isn't here in CA, read it and understand. Then go to the links I gave above, to see what we're up against. Hundreds of new laws are passed, day in and day out, in Sacramento, which is VERY far from here, geographically and politically. Representation? Bah!

But also look at this: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060817/news_lz7e17madaff.html

"The new no-smoking ordinance encourages a healthier lifestyle for San Diegans and promotes a better quality of life..." Sounds like a politician in Atlas Shrugged or 1984, doesn't it?

Even in "conservative" San Diego, the trend towards total government control of personal behavior is quite evident.
 
I am with PAX on every point.

She doesn't require to take a breath. I would rather know she can hold her breath for a moment when it's due. Should hope she can take aim instead of take a break.
I work across the street from my states capital building. Stopping into a few offices every couple weeks is not a big deal. I get much more honest feedbak from legislators and assistants becaus I am not a member of the press.
I know several reps and senators in the state legislature by name and face. State police is plainclothes as security on a very borring job.
Some of the activists job includes cultivation of mutualy respectable relationships to allow open dialog about all of those matters the powers who would be may believe is first in thier best interst as well as the surf.. ah publics.
Here in Indiana this year there was a part of legislation that the State Senate "Pre pro tempore" found disagreable. It no sooner landed in the Senate befor he was beat up over it at a breakfast hosted and sponsored by his districts biggest buisiness interests. So dirty deals and backside scrubbing budy done to get the NRA stand your ground law into the correct committee. Indiana did not gain anything more than spelling this out in statute.

After all this the Senator lost his re-election bid in the primary very easily. Several people on this and other boards spread the word of this matter and every other peronal interest the man allowed to drive his agenda. He nixed a lot of good legislation and rebuilt everything he could not outright kill. His trophy feather was lifetime healthcare for legislators and spouces.

If you find legislative dirt on legislators just pass the word. It works. The less RKBA related the more that same information may be passed among those who dissagree with you.
 
We need to get on the firearms manufacturers to stand up Cali.

Dear CA DOJ,

It has come to the attention of our company that as of 2008 the sale of firearms lacking a laser-stamping device to mark individual cases as the gun fires. None of our product line currently has this technology, nor is it included in any products that we have in development. The R&D on this tech alone would outsrip any forcast sales increase from it, therefore we have decided to cease ALL firearms sales to the state of California. This decision also includes sales to ANY CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT AGENCY. It is not in our business model to sell to private contracts only, and this appears to be the prevailing thought among most firearm manufacturers. I am sure this should not be any concern of yours, since you have effectively outlawed guns in your state, your police should have nothing to fear.:neener:
 
The whole thing makes my head hurt, how such a great place, (which it is, great place) can end up with so many morons and crooks running the place. I have yet to see anything that gives me hope that at anytime in the foreseeable future, there is any reason to believe that it will get anybetter.

The One big hope, Is that Ronnie Barrett gets a headlock on the manufacturers and gets them to decide, no more guns for cali law enforcement. NONE NOT A ONE. no spare parts, no ammo for cops, Not one IOTA of support.


Let the left discover that their bodyguards and private cops have no ammo, no spare parts, and let them learn the hard way. Let em hang out to dry. Let them fight with no arms. Far as I am concerned let mexico try to take it again, then let the rest of us come in and clean house.
 
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We have been fighting this the wrong way. We cannot keep blocking their attempts forever. Eventually something will get through - like this, for instance.

there is only one real way to fight this --

and this i stress --

we must take the fight to our enemies. we do this by directly interacting with these groups that would advocate for our disarmament, and engage them in discussion in a polite and logical way that can somehow turn them to our side.

i'd like to get together some gun folks in Los Angeles that will be willing to go with me to gate crash lefty parties and council meetings. we'll get a lot of flak, especially those of us who work for the public, but we have got to go to them and show them how they are approaching the crime problem incorrectly.

furthermore, those of us - and this is not me - who are knowledgable about crime need to come up with a viable alternative to solving the problem of crime rather than disarmament.

any ideas?
 
i'd like to get together some gun folks in Los Angeles that will be willing to go with me to gate crash lefty parties and council meetings. we'll get a lot of flak, especially those of us who work for the public, but we have got to go to them and show them how they are approaching the crime problem incorrectly.
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Here's the crux of it: those who disagree with the leftist elites and the local and state power brokers are the real "criminals." We gun owners are merely being tolerated. Temporarily. They figure we'll move, die off, or shut up because we're afraid of losing our jobs, homes, or lives. The real agenda is a complete take-over of the state in a neo-Castro mold.

Do they care whether businesses are leaving? So far, apparently not, but then the Left isn't good at thinking beyond its "five-year plan." The biggest business in SoCal is building new schools, and that, I'm sure, is very lucrative indeed for the people with the right connections.

I plan to write the Terminatrix and tell him he ought to veto this stupid bill, but I am under no illusions that he is any more than a front man for the usual suspects.
 
The biggest business in SoCal is building new schools
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...to teach foreigners in foreign languages at our expense...

My parents were immigrants. They came legally, then they became citizens. They made sure I learned English first.

Now, what language your kids speak at home is your problem, but the language they learn in school, at my expense, should be the same one I speak, and the same one that business, law and politics are conducted in. I have no vested interest whatsoever in funding education for any purpose other than to help kids become productive citizens, and it is immoral to take my money to do otherwise.

Gun laws? Hell, they're the least of our problems, in the big picture.
 
Fink,
The idea is sound but for it to work the gun industry would have to have pressure put on it from "we" the people. If the gun owners of America told ALL manufactuers that we will not buy their products if they sell to ANY California agency, what do you think their response will be?

Which company do you think would want to be put out of business because no one will buy their products? Wonder how California agencies would feel if they knew that the firearms they're carrying now are the last ones they'll ever get?

Any takers? Let's hear from all the free state people and those of you soon to leave Kali people.
 
I make gun purchase choices based on a variety of factors. I'd be happy to include that one, particularly if we can get enough to join the effort.

Are there any manufacturers who don't sell to CA right now, other than Barrett?

It needn't be a deliberate stance like Barrett's; if a company doesn't sell to CA agencies by pure coincidence, it would be possible to choose to buy from them, while informing them that, if they do sell to CA agencies, they won't see any more of those sales.
 
HEY!!!!

Where was the NRA during this deception in this state??????? Time for the NRA to turn burners to full heat on the Republik of California. Isn't that why we pay the membership? This is gonna be a messy political year!:confused:
 
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0351-0400/ab_352_bill_20060619_amended_sen.html
The bill as amended and passed in the Senate.

The bill's history...
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0351-0400/ab_352_bill_20060824_history.html

All you can do is contact your assembly representatives, your fellow political party members, fellow gun owners, a few gun and ammo mfgs. and raise bloody Cain.

I see no exemption for LE Agencies, I see no language making possession of older firearms illegal (yet), I wonder who is going to be the one company to make this technology foolproof and 100% reliable.
This bill would, commencing January 1, 2009, expand the definition
of unsafe handgun to include semiautomatic pistols that are not
designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters, that
identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched
into the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol,
and which are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when
the firearm is fired.
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Searching for information that lead up to this being a "useful" tool in the War on Semi-Automatic Handgun Crime. Or should I just eliminate the word "Crime" in the last sentence?
 
AB 352 still has to go back to the Assembly for a vote.
You can help us out here in Ca to defeat this bill by sending a
one click e-mail to the entire Assembly asking
each Assembly Member they VOTE NO ON
AB 352.

Just a simple e-mail asking the Assembly to
vote no with a short, polite message will help.
I hope all here on The High Road will consider
doing so. Thanks..>

http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml#contactinfo
 
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I'm not upset at y'all because the legislation passed. I'm upset at y'all because not one of you saw fit to scream about it on either of the two busiest gun boards I know, before it passed.
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To expand on this. Shouldn't I/we have read about this on any and all guns boards that we frequent, no matter their membership size?
 
Just a simple e-mail asking the Assembly to
vote no with a short, polite message will help.
I hope all here on The High Road will consider
doing so.
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I've often wondered about that ... if I (as a citizen of Colorado) were to email some California politicritter and ask him/her to vote one way or another on a bill, does this have any impact? Or will s/he just look at my email and think "Who does this Coloradoan think he is telling Californians how to vote!?"
 
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