California does it again: passed the ammo bill.

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California Senate Passes Ballistics Identification Bill to Help Police Solve Gun Crimes

SACRAMENTO, Calif., Aug. 24 /U.S. Newswire/ -- With the support of forty-one police chiefs from around the state, the state senate today passed a bill (22-18) that will help police solve gun crimes and catch gun traffickers The bill, AB 352, requires that a new ballistics identification technology be required on all new semiautomatic handguns sold in California after 2008.


The new technology, microstamping, uses powerful lasers to make extremely precise, microscopic engravings on a handgun's firing pin or inside the firing chamber. These engravings reference the serial number of the handgun. When a bullet is fired from the handgun, the marks are transferred to the bullet casing. So when the police retrieve the bullet casing at a crime scene, they can quickly track down the legal owner of the handgun that fired it.


Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) is the lead sponsor on the bill, with the Coalition to Stop Handgun Violence, the organizational sponsor. A coalition of groups has been fighting to pass the bill since last year, including the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Legal Community Against Violence, Women Against Gun Violence, and the California Million Mom March Chapters along with their parent organization, the Brady Campaign.


Griffin Dix, the president of the California Million Mom March Chapters, stated, "Currently, no arrest is made in approximately 45 percent of all homicides in California because police lack the evidence they need. This bill will help police solve crime by providing them with new and meaningful leads for solving handgun crimes."


"On behalf of our law enforcement supporters and victims of crime we work with every day across the nation, I applaud the California State Senate for embracing this innovative technology. I'm hoping the Governor will listen to a fellow Republican and sign this bill once it passes," said Paul Helmke, the new president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Paul is a former three-term Republican Mayor of Fort Wayne, Indiana.


As the nation's largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign, working with its dedicated network of Million Mom March Chapters, is devoted to creating an America free from gun violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work, and in our communities.
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Can't believe it. Late last year it looked like the thing was gonna die out of sheer stupidity.

Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) is the lead sponsor

This guy is still around? He was the twit that got the 50 BMG banned.

I'm hoping the Governor will listen to a fellow Republican and sign this bill once it passes," said Paul Helmke, the new president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Paul is a former three-term Republican Mayor of Fort Wayne, Indiana.

I'm ashamed to be a repugnicant with phonies like that in office.
 
Me thinks that California's Legislature has been sampling too much of the states primary cash crop. :banghead:

If this is signed into law by the Governor, the next step will be to BAN all handguns manufactured prior to 2008, since the smart criminals will not want to use the new weapons.
 
What can be done now?

Ok, it's passed- but not signed.

What can we all do to kill it at this point? Any point in a non-resident (I'm in NC) trying to influence the thing at this point, or is it a done deal?

Since "Ahnold" has already signed the .50 ban, I kinda doubt he'd shy away from this, but would it hurt to try?

I'm tired of complaining, it's time to do something about this nonsense.
 
Hmmm.. Looks like we wont be getting any new handgun models here. I doubt manufacturers are going to go along with this just to make CA happy. Even if we did get guns with this new "technology", I dont see how it's supposed to stop crime. It's not like criminals are gonna trade in their old guns for new ones that can microstamp the bullets.

CA.. oh well.. I really am suprised that we're allowed to have guns at all here. :(
 
How stupid. I hope Arnie will have the sense to not sign this. My guess is that the assembly will pass it.

The Dems are idiots for doing this, because the mid-term is coming up and Republicans accross the country will say, "look what those crazy Dems are doing in California."

The only entity that wins from this is the company that makes this unworkable and useless technology.
 
Even if crooks did get these new guns. Anybody with a brain would take the 2 seconds to pick up the casing(s) that were dropped. So basically they're just telling the criminals that they need to be a bit smarter to fool them. I pity those who live in California.
 
How do they intend to stop criminals from taking sandpaper to the head of the pin, or ordering a replacement?
 
They've got Arnold right where they want him. He can sign it and lose Republican votes for Governor, or he can veto it and be labeled soft on crime. I'm an optimist, my guess is he'll veto -- it's an election year.
 
I wish they would apply their savy skills as legislators to the illegal alien problem in California. Lets mark them so we can identify them if they commit a crime. Oh yeah, I forgot, the ACLU....
 
Stupid. Id just replace the firing pin.

I doubt Feinstein even knows what a firing pin is. She cant even load a mag into a rifle.:D
 
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You can probably look for the sales of brass catchers to go up sharply...and then they'll pass a law banning the sale and possession of brass catchers.
Then they'll ban assault revolvers...and any revolver ammo.

Forget swapping the firing pin pretty soon. The fight over "Signifigant alteration" of a firearm requiring a manufacturer's license will spill over to "Any parts change that will alter the ballistic marks will require an FFL holder, and a qualified gunsmith for installation." Slides? Extractors? Ejectors? Firing pins? Barrels? Sorry comrade. That is forbidden. You must have the proper credentials and licensing. Why do you need another barrel anyway? Doesn't the one you already have shoot bullets?

Ramius...Mayberry? Used to have a thing for a gal over in Toast many years ago. I remember when Dave's was Dave and Joey's. Bad thing about Dave.
He was a good'un.
 
California, so-so place to visit, for Gawd's sake, don't consider living there.

Alright, that's kinda harsh. I know there's multitudes of good, fine folks living there. But I've gotta tell you, I could never consider living in the state. Fight back, good citizens of California!
 
If I recall doesnt the FBI stats show most shootings are done by revolvers? You gotta figure with the Semi auto becoming more popular over the last 20 years used revolvers can be bought very cheap, or even in the streets easily.

Btw IL wants a mail order ban on ammo sales. They can take their Firearms "oppressions" Ident card and shove it!
 
Seems to indicate only the brass case would be microstamped either by the chamber wall, recoil surface, or the firing pin. All of which are subject to normal wear and tear. Everything has to be spiffy clean, shipshape, and fouling free. Break out the stainless steel brushes and burnish away. The whole idea would be laughable if it wasn't so intrusive and ultimately useless for catching badguys. They already steal or buy stolen guns. All the hoped-for tracing capability will do is lead back to some hapless crime victim, whom they may very charge with a storage violation. :mad:
 
Serious question for all you Californians who have ever posted a "stay and fight!"-type post on TFL or THR (you all know who you are...)

Why weren't there a dozen threads about this before it passed, organizing some kick-ass lobbying? Where were the frantic last-minute calls to pester your legislators when it was on the floor? Where were the organized trips to the capitol building to talk to congressmen and representatives in the days before it came up to vote?

If y'all are staying to fight ... why didn't you fight?

Ahhh-nold is as good a guv'nr as Cali has had in years (ain't saying much, is it...?). And he's a Republican and all. But he seems an awfully thin thread upon which to hang any hope for defeating this or any other stupid legislation.

pax
 
Pax,
Probably because it died out last year and no news has come up about it since. It's commonplace to gut and replace a must-pass at a quater-to-12 without the public catching wind of it.
 
I didn't write recently, simply because I didn't know that it was back. I thought it died and we had won.

I try to stay on top of it, but things slip past. That's how they getcha.

We have to win every time, they only have to sneak it by once.
 
With the support of forty-one police chiefs from around the state, the state senate today passed a bill (22-18) that will help police solve gun crimes and catch gun traffickers.
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Okay, am I the only one that thinks these chiefs are the definition of "desk jockies"? I'm not from California, but do they require registration? Gee, do criminals register their guns? What happens whan an "illegal" gun is used? They'll have what they have now... bupkis.

So when the police retrieve the bullet casing at a crime scene, they can quickly track down the legal owner of the handgun that fired it.
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What if they sold it? Or gave it as a gift?

Griffin Dix, the president of the California Million Mom March Chapters, stated, "Currently, no arrest is made in approximately 45 percent of all homicides in California because police lack the evidence they need. This bill will help police solve crime by providing them with new and meaningful leads for solving handgun crimes."
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How about ... the same evidence they already get, with a higher probability of false leads? What? Are they going to micro-etch the manufacturer, caliber, AND serial number on the casing? I think not. And, as others have already commented, what is to keep somebody from taking off with or destroying the "evidence"? We are talking about criminals, right? Who don't care that it's a violation of the law, right?

As the nation's largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign, working with its dedicated network of Million Mom March Chapters, is devoted to creating an America free from gun violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work, and in our communities.
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Hmm. A really old cliche just came to mind... Outlaw guns, and only outlaws will have guns.
 
What if you police brass from a range to handload? It could have multiple stampings on it.
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They'll just have to outlaw handloading next. Are LE firearms exempt from the bill's stamping requirements?
 
New firing pin $15.00

New extractor $35.00

Kalifornias multi-million dollar ballistic fingerprinting system....worthless :neener:
 
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