California does it again: passed the ammo bill.

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So, I respectfully submit, the rest of the nation sees what California does, and wants no part of it.
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Right now, that's true. But the next Columbine-type incident (and there will, inevitably, be another one) is going to play right into the hands of Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, and the rest of their ilk who simply can't stand to see common everyday people empowered in any meaningful fashion. At that point, they turn to the 'model' that is California and trumpet it as the solution to the problems of the day.

United we stand and divided we fall - period.
 
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I was bashing only those gun owners who didn’t and won’t get off their duffs and do what needs to be done when crud like this comes up.
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Unfortunately, what really needs to happen is a fundamental change in human nature, an evolutionary change that would favor libertarianism over authoritarianism. The vast majority of people not only accept authoritarian systems but actively embrace them, so this will not happen anytime in the near future.

In the meantime, everything that we do is nothing more than a delaying action. Eventually, we will lose in California, in Washington, and in the rest of the United States. Nevertheless, we must continue the fight … and we will.

~G. Fink
 
At that point, they turn to the 'model' that is California and trumpet it as the solution to the problems of the day.
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There's always a chance that the next such incident will occur in CA and will highlight the futility of passing ineffective law after ineffective law.
 
More gun laws which wont mean a "hill of beans", but makes the liberals feel good. Can you imagine the cost of the equipment just to read the imprint on the shell casing?? Maybe the state will buy one, and all the PD's will send in their casings for investigation? Then the State can back-bill the PD's for the cost of running the casing, and make money for the General Fund! Yeah, right..

I dont think there will be a California by 2008, the way things are going on in and around the state. Large businesses are moving out, and low wage earners are moving in, so where is the tax base going to be?? Right now, California is 58% Hispanic; mostly on the lower end of the wage scale, and what or how is California going to pay for all the entitlements?? Just glad I moved out of there 7 years ago, and I was a NATIVE.
 
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"California" is just another word for Third World socialism. And, yes, it's coming your way."

Gonna spread like wildfire through Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, etc. eh?
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Not like wildfire. There is still a large conservative/pro-gun voter base here in AZ. Yes, I fear it will spread but the antis have a long way to go and no way to get there yet. Even our Democrat governor signed our "No Retreat" bill into law and lowered the class requirements for carry permits from 16 hrs to 8 hrs.

For those of you in Calf who can't take it anymore, we do welcome you here in AZ where your vote still counts.
 
Coyote_jr: "Gonna spread like wildfire through Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, etc. eh?"

The Western states--NV, AZ, UT, ID, MT, OR, WA, NM, and others--have already been infested by liberal Californians who fled the state and brought their screwed-up values with them. Witness Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid. Or Senator John McCain.

The politics in those states have either already been affected, or are in the process of being affected.

As for the notion that gun companies will refuse to sell to CA government agencies, remember that gun companies are in the business of making money. If the companies tell CA they can't afford the tooling to make CA-legal guns, the CA legislature will simply exempt law enforcement from the requirements.

How many gun companies will then stand up and continue to refuse to sell to CA LEO?
 
The Western states--NV, AZ, UT, ID, MT, OR, WA, NM, and others--have already been infested by liberal Californians who fled the state and brought their screwed-up values with them. Witness Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid. Or Senator John McCain.
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most of our ex-californians are the enlightened ones fleeing socialism. the entitlements here in AZ are pitiful compared to CA so the welfare leaches tend to stay put. we usually get those looking for a relief from the oppressive socialism that is CA. I don't have an excuse for mccain.
 
I have always been a staunch supporter of gun rights, and so I always oppose laws which are basically created to restrict our 2nd Amendment Rights. For that reason, I have voted against all three of the following bills.

AB 352, Micro-stamping. This bill is in the Assembly for concurrence in Senate Amendments, and will likely come up for a vote tomorrow.

AB 2714, Purchasing ammunition over the internet. This bill is on the Senate floor, and could be voted on any time.

SB 59, reporting theft or loss of a firearm. This bill is in the Senate for concurrence in Assembly Amendments and could come up for a vote any time.

All of these bills require only a majority vote, so they could easily pass with the Democrat majorities in both houses. I would suggest that you start contacting the Governor’s office and ask him to veto them should they reach his desk.

Assemblyman Ray Haynes
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In about 5 seconds of thought here are several ways around this multi million dollar legislation.

Use a revolver.

Use a brass catcher.

Pick up your brass.

Carry a pocket full of range brass with OTHER PEOPLES' serial numbers and throw 100 pieces of brass on the ground after picking yours up.

Use a pistol made before this legislation passes.

New firing pin or slide and extractor.

UUUGGGGHHHHH............ why are legislaters sooooooo uselessly stupid?
 
Gun Owners Against Liberals state and city governments

Please see the NEW thread with the following title: Gun Owners Against Liberal state and city governments.
 
Even if every gun current gun manufacturer decided they didnt want to meet these new standards and chose to sell to the other 49 American states, somebody would start a new company that would sell to California. And that person would reap great benefits.
 
They forgot the bill requiring gun manufacturers to install electronics on all handguns that would ask "do you really want to fire this gun" before it withdraws the firing pin block. Oh well ... maybe next year.:uhoh:
 
I should bring to point that language was added witch will
allow the Atty Gen to req any and all ammo to be
serialized without going to the legislature for an ok
to do so.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=71376

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the trade association for the firearms industry, said today that Senate passage of AB 352, legislation which will mandate the use of unreliable, patented, sole-sourced technology to micro stamp firearms and allow the Attorney General to require bullet serialization of all ammunition is ill-conceived and will result in a ban on ammunition sales in the state, burdening sportsmen, hunters and firearms enthusiasts.
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So for those that thought they wouldn't be affected
by this moronic bill, like skeet shooters, cowboy
action shooters, plinker's, etc, well you have
another thought coming! I've written my Assembly
Member a lot and he knows and is voting NO on
AB 352 & 2714 so that helps. But so many of the
stinking gun banishment front have brain washed
those in the majority party, I'm not sure if these
bills can be defeated.

I just keep sending one click e-mails everyday
and calling different members of the Assembly.
My long distance bill is going to put me in a hurt
this month, but it's nothing compared to the crap
that will follow if these bills become law.
 
I should bring to point that language was added witch will
allow the Atty Gen to req any and all ammo to be
serialized without going to the legislature for an ok
to do so.
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This may be true - but the on-line version of the amended bill does not have that language. Sometimes the web page for a bill isn't updated in a timely fashion.
 
^^^ Follow up. I too just re read the bill and haven't
seen the amended version, but I do have this from
the CRPA. Maybe it's a scare tactic, I don't know. But
I do know one thing AB 352 is a terrible bill. From
the way I interpret the bill, ANY semi auto new or
used that doesn't have this micro stamping
nonsense incorporated into it would be illegal.
Am I wrong on this ?

I would like the option of selling mine legally here
in Ca should I decide so, but it seems this bill
would make that illegal..It's very short reading.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0351-0400/ab_352_cfa_20060828_225817_asm_floor.html

1)Required, beginning January 1, 2007, all semiautomatic pistols
not already designated as safe handguns, as specified, to be
equipped with microscopic characters that identify the make,
model, and serial number of the pistol etched into the
interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol which
are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the
firearm is fired.

2)Provided that, commencing on January 1, 2007, no handgun may
be submitted for required safety testing, as specified, unless
the handgun is equipped with a microscopic characters that
identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol
etched into the interior surface or internal working parts of
the pistol and which are transferred by imprinting on each
cartridge case when the firearm is fired.
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2007 has been changed to 2009. It has NOT been voted
by the Assembly this morning the 30th, but it will soon
be so as the end of the period is tomorrow the 31st.

This is from the CRPA link regarding all ammo.
http://www.crpa.org/showpages.asp?pid=1266

SB 357 (Dunn), bullet serialization, has been stopped in its tracks and amended to be used for a totally different non-firearms related purpose. HOWEVER, BULLET SERIALIZATION HAS COVERTLY BEEN SNEAKED INTO AB 352!!!!! The backers of bullet serialization apparently think that FIREARMS OWNERS ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO NOTICE!!!!! As now amended, AB 352 would give the State Attorney General the power to simply mandate bullet serialization by regulation. TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, THE BILL DOES NOT SPECIFY THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MUST FIRST HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE MANDATING THAT BULLET SERIALIZATION BE REQUIRED!!!!!
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Sorry for the long posts, but this is important not only
to us out here in Ca, but you can believe the gun
banishment front is biting at the bit for a chance to
get this going nationwide.
 
Again the answer is NO NEW GUNS FOR CA not police, national guard, none at all. I would also include no AMMO. That’s what the Politicos in CA seem to want give it to them. :cuss:
 
Reason 97 why I'm glad I left Cali.
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Tell the truth, Travis. You miss San Diego.

I've lived in Florida and I've lived in California. The gun laws in the latter are a pain, but I know you miss the weather. And the food. And being able to be in the mountains with a few hours drive.

For me it was Tahoe, the Sierras (I really miss them), the Sequoias, the Redwoods, Fisherman's wharf (didn't you just love the chowder served in bread bowls?), Spicer Meadow Reservoir, Baker, Yosemite, and real Mexican food.

Moved to Oklahoma late last year.

On the other hand, I attended the last Wanenmacher gun show. 4000 tables of honest-to-goodness guns. I walked for a solid three to four hours and thanked heaven I could see the last row of tables. Then I discovered there was a whole second floor of tables.

I've never been beaten by a gun show before. I went home.
 
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