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Wahoo95 said:
sorry guy, that would indicate a defective or possibly a two piece muzzle. "brake" is the correct spelling.
Difference between a suppressor and a silencer?
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sorry guy, that would indicate a defective or possibly a two piece muzzle. "brake" is the correct spelling.
Gryffydd
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Ahh, but I was referring to the word "silence" not the word "silencer", in direct response to to the statement: "Silencer does just that; makes less noise when firing a round." Usage by the ATF and manufacturers aside, a silencer does not "do just that".Ranb said:
By the way, nice job on your testimony for HB1016. You guys all did a good job. Looks like you might actually have some traction this year.
GURU1911
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Silencer / suppressor
Hiram maxim, famous inventor of the maxim machinegun, invented & was granted a us patent on a device he called a "silencer"--his reason for inventing ???---to help dampen the muzzle blast from his rifle so that he could harvest game animals in close proximity to his neighbor's home & not disturb them !!!!! Eventually the term "silencer" developed a negative social context, even though the device, as with all other firearms, is not inherently evil--it does not have a mind of it's own which chooses to do evil or illegal deeds.
The terminology preferred by shooters today is a "sonic suppressor"
they will not silence the muzzle blast, but it comes darn close !!!
Gentlemen: When in mixed company of shooters & non-shooters, please use the term "sonic suppressor". Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Hiram maxim, famous inventor of the maxim machinegun, invented & was granted a us patent on a device he called a "silencer"--his reason for inventing ???---to help dampen the muzzle blast from his rifle so that he could harvest game animals in close proximity to his neighbor's home & not disturb them !!!!! Eventually the term "silencer" developed a negative social context, even though the device, as with all other firearms, is not inherently evil--it does not have a mind of it's own which chooses to do evil or illegal deeds.
The terminology preferred by shooters today is a "sonic suppressor"
they will not silence the muzzle blast, but it comes darn close !!!
Gentlemen: When in mixed company of shooters & non-shooters, please use the term "sonic suppressor". Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Myles
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I've fired an integral Ruger MkII (Jonathan Arthur Ciener), and the <click> of the firing pin, and the <clack> of the slide were the loudest parts of the process. Heck of a lot of fun, too.
Ironman
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I call it whatever I want to at the time im referring to it. Dont care either way. YMMV
First Big Foot
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Hi: Thanks for the response.
I wasn't planning on screwing one on. I was wondering about these holes in barrels themselves. I have seen Glocks with holes on the top of the last couple inches of barrels, and rifles with slots cut in the sides of the barrels. I wondered if there was any guidance on how to cut, what angles, surface area of forward portions of cuts, that sort of thing. Since I wasn't adding to the barrel any parts, and wasn't so much trying to silence it so much as reducing recoil, I didn't think that was illegal, or even in question.
I have an old 303 Enfield that I was considering cutting up and reducing the weight in several manners, by drilling large holde in the stock, removing a lot of excess steel, and such, and if it gets down to about four pounds I wanted to reduce recoil with slots or holes in the tip of the barrel. I have read of ways to EDM, and also figured it might be just drillable or grindable.
Any input?
First Big Foot. You need to take a look at the CA statues to see if putting a muzzle device on a rifle is legal. It might just be the barrel threads that are forbidden. It might only apply to semi-auto rifles. Threading a barrel and attaching a brake or flash suppressor might make it an "assault rifle".
Wahoo95, I think when FBF says silencers are illegal, he means in the PRK, CA to the rest of us.
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I wasn't planning on screwing one on. I was wondering about these holes in barrels themselves. I have seen Glocks with holes on the top of the last couple inches of barrels, and rifles with slots cut in the sides of the barrels. I wondered if there was any guidance on how to cut, what angles, surface area of forward portions of cuts, that sort of thing. Since I wasn't adding to the barrel any parts, and wasn't so much trying to silence it so much as reducing recoil, I didn't think that was illegal, or even in question.
I have an old 303 Enfield that I was considering cutting up and reducing the weight in several manners, by drilling large holde in the stock, removing a lot of excess steel, and such, and if it gets down to about four pounds I wanted to reduce recoil with slots or holes in the tip of the barrel. I have read of ways to EDM, and also figured it might be just drillable or grindable.
Any input?
First Big Foot. You need to take a look at the CA statues to see if putting a muzzle device on a rifle is legal. It might just be the barrel threads that are forbidden. It might only apply to semi-auto rifles. Threading a barrel and attaching a brake or flash suppressor might make it an "assault rifle".
Wahoo95, I think when FBF says silencers are illegal, he means in the PRK, CA to the rest of us.
Ranb
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Help make silencer use in WA legal by supporting House bill 1604. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summ...1604&year=2009 Write Judiciary chairman Pedersen and ask him to give the bill a hearing. http://www.leg.wa.gov/house/represen.../pedersen.aspx
First Big Foot
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Hi Drew:
So I am guessing that these Maxim Silencers are now illegal?
Sounds like exactly what I wanted.
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It's my understanding that "Silencer" was the brand name Maxim used on his invention. These days the Maxim Silencer company builds "silencers" for other products: http://www.maximsilencers.com/
Rather than the original (although he also invented engine silencer/mufflers back then too), back when you could pick them up at hardware stores for a couple dollars.
So I am guessing that these Maxim Silencers are now illegal?
Sounds like exactly what I wanted.
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It's my understanding that "Silencer" was the brand name Maxim used on his invention. These days the Maxim Silencer company builds "silencers" for other products: http://www.maximsilencers.com/
Rather than the original (although he also invented engine silencer/mufflers back then too), back when you could pick them up at hardware stores for a couple dollars.
First Big Foot
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Initial Temperature is 68 F or 528 R Assuming that initial and final pressure are the same, final volume would be equal to T2V1/T1, or 417 x 4120 / 528 = 3254 feet long.
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I think three thousand feet of barrel would friction the bullet to death.
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I think three thousand feet of barrel would friction the bullet to death.
The holes and slots you are referring to are recoil "climb" compensator ports.
Nothing to do with quietening the report of a firearm which is what a silencer does.
A suppressor -as in "flash suppressor" is meant to reduce flame front emanating from the barrel.
First Big Foot
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The holes and slots you are referring to are recoil "climb" compensator ports.
Nothing to do with quietening the report of a firearm which is what a silencer does.
A suppressor -as in "flash suppressor" is meant to reduce flame front emanating from the barrel.
OK, somehow this has gotten off track.
My original intention was to make recoil dampening on the rifle barrel so's I could make it lighter and still manage it.
Coincidentally the Maxim thing dampened the recoil, and reduced blast, so I commented that that was nice, but really, all I am trying to do is reduce recoil.
Can I cut slots in a rifle barrel that will do that?
1) I believe they would have to be near the muzzle or the bullet would run out of power.
2) Could the barrel be drilled out just a few thousandths past the rifling and the slots cut beyond where the rifling touches the bullet?
3) Wouldn't that still be part of the barrel?
I want to know if cutting the grooves is just by gosh and by golly.
Is there research for how much surface area for particular rounds counteracts their recoil?
Has anybody out there made a recoil reducer before?
Is drilling out the first inch or two of a barrel anything more than just drilling it out?
Nothing to do with quietening the report of a firearm which is what a silencer does.
A suppressor -as in "flash suppressor" is meant to reduce flame front emanating from the barrel.
OK, somehow this has gotten off track.
My original intention was to make recoil dampening on the rifle barrel so's I could make it lighter and still manage it.
Coincidentally the Maxim thing dampened the recoil, and reduced blast, so I commented that that was nice, but really, all I am trying to do is reduce recoil.
Can I cut slots in a rifle barrel that will do that?
1) I believe they would have to be near the muzzle or the bullet would run out of power.
2) Could the barrel be drilled out just a few thousandths past the rifling and the slots cut beyond where the rifling touches the bullet?
3) Wouldn't that still be part of the barrel?
I want to know if cutting the grooves is just by gosh and by golly.
Is there research for how much surface area for particular rounds counteracts their recoil?
Has anybody out there made a recoil reducer before?
Is drilling out the first inch or two of a barrel anything more than just drilling it out?
macadore
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The term you're looking for is muzzle brake. Most of them redirect recoil rather than reducing it. Some I have seen look like they might actually reduce recoil. Search THR for muzzle brake. I would be interested in knowing what people with more experience than me would have to say about this. Why don't you start a thread.
First Big Foot
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Muzzle Brake - How do you calculate how to make one?
(It was suggested I make a new thread. I cannot figure out how to do that.)
I want to take a .303 Enfield and carve it up to make a hiking/hunting rifle. My original intention was to make recoil dampening on the rifle barrel so's I could make it lighter and still manage it.
Someone showed coincidentally the Maxim thing, and pointed out that it dampened the recoil, and reduced blast, so I commented that that was nice,
but really, all I am trying to do is reduce recoil. I understand that it is illegal to reduce the noise a rifle makes.
Redirecting it doesn't seem to be illegal.
I have seen Glocks and larger weapons that directed the gases outward and rearward to reduce felt recoil.
1) Can I cut slots in a rifle barrel that will do that?
2) Should they be slanted rearward, or at 90 degrees to the barrel?
3) I believe they would have to be near the muzzle or the bullet would run out of power.
4) Could the barrel be drilled out for an inch or two, just a few thousandths larger than the rifling, and the slots cut beyond where the rifling touches the bullet? (So the bullet does not touch the slots.)
5) Wouldn't that still be part of the barrel? (Since it is still all a part of the same piece.)
6) I want to know if cutting the grooves is just by gosh and by golly. Or:
7) Is there research for how much surface area for particular rounds counteracts their recoil? (Since the gasses push against those forward bits of surface area.)
8) Has anybody out there made a recoil reducer, (muzzle brake), before? And are you then willing to share what you did?
9) Is drilling out the first inch or two of a barrel anything more than just drilling it out? (I have fractional drills, Letter drills, and a Dremmel.)
I have looked around, on line and at the gun show, and can find no literature about such construction.
Thanks if you can help.
Woodclaver
Remember: For the properly prepared, Disaster may be mere inconvenience.
(It was suggested I make a new thread. I cannot figure out how to do that.)
I want to take a .303 Enfield and carve it up to make a hiking/hunting rifle. My original intention was to make recoil dampening on the rifle barrel so's I could make it lighter and still manage it.
Someone showed coincidentally the Maxim thing, and pointed out that it dampened the recoil, and reduced blast, so I commented that that was nice,
but really, all I am trying to do is reduce recoil. I understand that it is illegal to reduce the noise a rifle makes.
Redirecting it doesn't seem to be illegal.I have seen Glocks and larger weapons that directed the gases outward and rearward to reduce felt recoil.
1) Can I cut slots in a rifle barrel that will do that?
2) Should they be slanted rearward, or at 90 degrees to the barrel?
3) I believe they would have to be near the muzzle or the bullet would run out of power.
4) Could the barrel be drilled out for an inch or two, just a few thousandths larger than the rifling, and the slots cut beyond where the rifling touches the bullet? (So the bullet does not touch the slots.)
5) Wouldn't that still be part of the barrel? (Since it is still all a part of the same piece.)
6) I want to know if cutting the grooves is just by gosh and by golly. Or:
7) Is there research for how much surface area for particular rounds counteracts their recoil? (Since the gasses push against those forward bits of surface area.)
8) Has anybody out there made a recoil reducer, (muzzle brake), before? And are you then willing to share what you did?
9) Is drilling out the first inch or two of a barrel anything more than just drilling it out? (I have fractional drills, Letter drills, and a Dremmel.)
I have looked around, on line and at the gun show, and can find no literature about such construction.
Thanks if you can help.
Woodclaver
Remember: For the properly prepared, Disaster may be mere inconvenience.
UnknownGunMan
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Silencer = Liberal saying "THATS ILLEGAL"
Suppressor = Your shooting buddies saying "Man thats cool"
No difference, two names for the same thing. Silencers both suppress noice and suppress muzzle flash.
Suppressor = Your shooting buddies saying "Man thats cool"
No difference, two names for the same thing. Silencers both suppress noice and suppress muzzle flash.
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