Dillon XL 750 - First impressions

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So... here's what happened. I've been running a 650 for awhile now ( and a Square Deal since the 80's ), swapping back and forth between 9mm and 45 acp on the 650. I decided that swapping back and forth was too time consuming so decided to get another 650. This is course was perfectly timed to coincide with Dillon pulling the 650 from the menu. Ordered one from Amazon, which was promptly cancelled as "out of stock". I figured it was a 'sign', so I went ahead and ordered the 750. Set it up yesterday and here is my list of initial impressions.

There is a reason why you usually see pictures of the 750 from the back. From the front, you have the priming assembly and rod pretty much in your face. Ok, so I sit more to the left now. The priming tube is now directly in front of the powder measure, leaving almost no room to manipulate the early warning primer box assembly. It's pretty tight, and no matter which way you aim the large blue buzzer box, it partially obscures the powder measure. I use a mini MrBullet feeder and while it does fit, it dances between the powder measure throw bar and powder tube, somewhat precariously. I figured the first thing I needed to change was the primer early warning system. It's just too big and in your face. I ordered a round mini buzzer, CR2032 battery holder, mini reed switch and an assortment of magnets. I'm going to make a buzzer that sits on top of the primer tube requiring almost no space and activated by the reed switch coming into proximity of the magnet. If I can get it to work ok, that should take care of the obstruction of the warning buzzer box.

The priming system, while larger and more obtrusive, has the advantage of not needing a primer ski jump for ejected primers, and no dust pan required to clean up the mess if you didn't install an after market ski jumper. Improvements to the indexing smoothness were immediately evident, though the instruction manual has grown significantly with regards to adjusting all the possibilities. I am still confused about the tiny hole under each shell position, perfectly centered and just waiting to be plugged up with powder. It's probably in the manual somewhere, but I didn't immediately see it.

I ordered just the base unit, as I had everything else and naively intended to swap the case feeder unit over... back and forth. Ya, on second thought, I'll order another case feeder and skip the swapping on that too. What was I thinking....

And lastly, I suppose there are fewer parts to wear out on the priming system, and cleaning will be easier. That is a plus. IMG_0731.jpg IMG_0733.jpg
 
This question came up from another thread. Could you be kind enough to measure the finished OAL/COL from the 750? https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/get-your-money-together.854095/page-8#post-11207270

I know, I know ... her standard answer would be, "But will it make better rounds compared to your 14 other presses?" :eek: (You should have heard the extensive detailed explanation I gave her regarding shell plate tilt/deflection to buy the Lee Auto Breech Lock Pro :D)
Well that is one of the new features of the 750, seriously. The 750 has shell plate tilt equalized compared to the 650....one of the reasons they "modified" the 650 casting
Would be interesting to see what the OAL variance is for 650 vs 750.

FYI, we have a reference/myth busting thread on finished OAL consistency here - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...progressive-press.833604/page-2#post-10779806
 
This question came up from another thread. Could you be kind enough to measure the finished OAL/COL from the 750? https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/get-your-money-together.854095/page-8#post-11207270




FYI, we have a reference/myth busting thread on finished OAL consistency here - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...progressive-press.833604/page-2#post-10779806

Sure thing. Basically, I just took my fully loaded toolhead and dropped in on the 750 with no adjustments.

The round I loaded was a 200gr Rainier plated 45 acp into a ( randomly selected ) S&B case, deprimed and sized, belled and loaded/crimped with a Lee factory crimp, same on both presses.
Difference was on the 650, OAL is 1.2250", and on the 750, with the same head, no adjustments, 1.2495.

Some people will say they can drive a truck through .024" .... I'd say, without ANY adjustment, it's not bad.

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No, I mean OAL "variance" as to what the shortest to longest ranges are for 650 vs 750 (I usually do a sample of 10 round measurement).

That was what member GW Staar and I were talking about.

Thank you.

The 750 has shell plate tilt equalized compared to the 650....one of the reasons they "modified" the 650 casting
Would be interesting to see what the OAL variance is for 650 vs 750.
 
I was real curious as well, so I ran a hundred .45 acp and a hundred 9mm.
I chose the last 10 rounds loaded in each batch, as I was measuring powder charges every
5 rounds on the 750, just to be sure, as it is a new powder measure, and I've only had one
squib in 39 years and pretty sure I don't ever need another. Extra careful? Ya, ever since.

On the 650, running mixed brass, Everglades 9mm 115gr FMJ concave base...

1.1425
1.1445
1.145
1.1455
1.1455
1.1455
1.147
1.1475
1.148
1.148
Min 1.1425
Max 1.148
Avg 1.1458
Variance 0.0055

On the 750, running all mixed brass, .45 acp Rainier 200gr RNP

1.25
1.25
1.25
1.25
1.2505
1.2505
1.251
1.251
1.251
1.251
Min 1.25
Max 1.251
Avg 1.2505
Variance 0.001

Of course these are pistol loads, not rifle, and max I shoot is 25 yards in competition. Even with a 5 or 6 thou variation,
I can still shoot 1" groups at 25 yards on a good day, so your mileage may vary with regards to 'yabuts' and 'howzabouts'.
But all things being similar, the 750 seems tighter now. We'll see what it look like after 20 or 40k rounds.
 
I surely wish I shot the volume to warrant a 650 or new 750 but I'm afraid one of those would load enough in and afternoon to keep me stocked for a year. So I make do with a Pro1000 and a new Auto Breech Lock Pro.

Thank you for sharing your experience!
 
So I make do with a Pro1000 and a new Auto Breech Lock Pro.
Many reloaders don't know that due to offset ram mount under station #1 design of Pro 1000/ABLP where most of upward resizing force is applied, reduces shell plate tilt/deflection to produce more consistent OAL - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/new-auto-breech-lock-pro.832974/page-8#post-10779934

In this myth busting thread, Pro 1000 produced .002"-.003" OAL variance with unresized mixed range brass and .001" OAL variance with pre-resized mixed range brass and RMR FMJ bullets - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...progressive-press.833604/page-2#post-10779806

Being able to produce .001" finished OAL variance is pretty good and many would consider "match grade" on par with single stage and why I loaded all of my myth busting thread test rounds on Pro 1000.
 
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Yup, poor lil press takes a pounding and is much misaligned for what it can do. It serves me well. Now if I were loading a 1k rounds a month then I would most likely upgrade but seeing that I'm only loading at most 3k rounds for the whole year these suite me just fine.
 
The simplified primer warning system is a keeper!....way less in-the- way. Good job! Do you have a parts list you could share?

I have another question.......the primer slide on the bottom. Could you make a little video showing that system.....many want to know just how close it is to the 550 design. Most complaints I've ever heard on the 550 was concerning the slide mechanism. Ditto with Hornady's, ditto with RCBS's Pro Chuckers.

..... I am still confused about the tiny hole under each shell position, perfectly centered and just waiting to be plugged up with powder. It's probably in the manual somewhere, but I didn't immediately see it.

So did you ever figure out what the holes under each shell position was for? Anybody else know?
 
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The simplified primer warning system is a keeper!....way less in-the- way. Good job! Do you have a parts list you could share?

I have another question.......the primer slide on the bottom. Could you make a little video showing that system.....many want to know just how close it is to the 550 design. Most complaints I've ever heard on the 550 was concerning the slide mechanism. Ditto with Hornady's, ditto with RCBS's Pro Chuckers.

So did you ever figure out what the holes under each shell position was for? Anybody else know?

Happy you like it! Here's the parts I used, but anything similar would work. The battery holder comes with no docs, but it has a trick mode where if you hold the button down for a few seconds, it goes into a continuous on mode, which will make you cringe. Handy for hidden door alarms or halloween pranks.

Battery holder:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N3WHC9E/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Reed switch:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RS2M9TR/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Buzzer:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GJSP68S/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Magnets:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077BWCC8D/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Wire:
whatever fairly stiff 18 gauge wire you have.

And, ya, I'll do a video a bit later of the primer system in action, as I've not seen anyone else do one.

Also, Dillon did reply to my question about the holes....
"They are clearance holes for powder and or debris to fall through if you fail to seat a primer. "
 
I really appreciate you sharing your experiences with the 750. I’ve been thinking about one of these but I’m still undecided. I’ve been using a 550B for about 20 + years now and I like it for it’s simplicity. “Faster” is a relative value concept. It’s faster for me than using a single station press. I’m sure there are folks that run theirs faster than I run mine. I enjoy reloading and generally take my time concentrating on consistency and the quality of the end product. Another one of the things I do like about the 550 is I can back up a step if I want to. How many times have you wished you could back up a step with the 650 or the 750? Do the case and bullet feeders require frequent adjustment and cleaning? Are they difficult to disassemble and clean?
 
I can't speak the bullet feeder as I feed by hand. The case feeder doesn't require any adjustment nor cleaning. There's very little in the case feeder to disassemble. Just the shell plate and that lifts right out.
 
Well, to change calibers you have to change other parts as well as the plate depending on what you are changing to. Same with bullet feeders. More than a few people, MaxLoad included, seem to prefer adding another press rather than changing calibers. Unfortunately, that ain't an option for everybody.

Besides feeder changes, of course there's primer size changeover, tool head swapping, and shell plate swapping.....maybe that tendency increases as we reloaders get older....(flusher with unearmarked cash due to an empty nest, couple that with less patience, and tireder body....) ;)

I think keeping feeders clean is a breeze compared to changing calibers. The fact that the O.P. is willing to add another expensive case feeder soon, underlines that.

I once had my Hornady Pistol Bullet Feeder on a swivel between my two green presses, where I could just rotate it to use on the other press.....it was a pain to change over even with the bullet drop at the back on the first one and the back left on the new one!

On the 650 and 750 case feeder a swivel wouldn't cut it.....you'd need a quick release of some kind where you could move the bucket to the other press....that would be a pain, not to mention you'd have to buy parts for the other press.....might as well buy a new feeder.
 
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Ok, here's a real quick clip of the primer system as close up as I could get it. Never had a 550 so, I couldn't say if there are any differences. As far as cleaning and maintenance... ya, the case tumbler gets a little smudged up, but a little spray of 409 cleans it right up.
The mini MrBullet feeder doesn't really ever need cleaning. I only load fmj or plated, so maybe lead would be different. I have to have
a few hundred rounds ready before weekly competitions, so this is working out for me, as doing a conversion would be too time consuming and then there's the 'oh sh*t' moments that go with it. I just picked up an H&K 45 expert... and I think I'm in love....

 
Good enough! I wasn't aware that the primer is picked up by the same rod that will insert it....looks clean enough. So what about it 550 owners? Same thing or same but different? What's the weakness in the primer slide that is disagreeable to some 550 owners? Looks like a pretty clean design to me.....at least the slide doesn't break.;)

I see you already have another case feeder....lucky you.:)
 
Good enough! I wasn't aware that the primer is picked up by the same rod that will insert it....looks clean enough. So what about it 550 owners? Same thing or same but different? What's the weakness in the primer slide that is disagreeable to some 550 owners? Looks like a pretty clean design to me.....at least the slide doesn't break.;)

I see you already have another case feeder....lucky you.:)

On a 550 the primer is inserted on station 1. That causes it to get dirty from the removed primers.

On a 750 the primer is inserted on station 2. Less grunge.
 
MaxLoad, I want to thank you for posting brief, succinct videos.

The videos get quickly to the point, with a very brief introduction.
One of my pet peeves is videos that take 10 -15 minutes on a subject that should take 60 seconds max.
For instance, on another forum a guy posted a 12+ minute video about a Lee bench primer. I can't imagine anything about a bench primer that needs more than 45 seconds to show.
I didn't watch that one.
 
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