Do gun sales through an in state dealer have to be face to face?
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oneounceload
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no, it cannot
Chemist
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Is that a no to the first or second question?
In face at licensed premises or a gun show or other qualifying event only.
4473 can be done on an electronic basis but all that does is print off the 4473 for the customer to sign, its still a legal document that requires a legal signature. The 4473 does not go anywhere else etc....
The NICS check can be done electronically too, thats how we do it rather then call in.
4473 can be done on an electronic basis but all that does is print off the 4473 for the customer to sign, its still a legal document that requires a legal signature. The 4473 does not go anywhere else etc....
The NICS check can be done electronically too, thats how we do it rather then call in.
I live in Denver, CO, and spotted a rifle I liked at a pawn shop in Grand Junction, on the other side of the state. I didn't buy it then, but a few days later I called them, made the purchase over the phone with a CC, had them ship it to my FFL, and filled out the 4473 at his place.
So, that wasn't a FTF purchase at the dealer, but it DID have to be shipped to an FFL for me to do the paperwork and receive it. But as far as buying it over the phone or net, and having it shipped to me, no. I don't "think" you can buy it face to face in person, and then have them ship it to your house either.
So, that wasn't a FTF purchase at the dealer, but it DID have to be shipped to an FFL for me to do the paperwork and receive it. But as far as buying it over the phone or net, and having it shipped to me, no. I don't "think" you can buy it face to face in person, and then have them ship it to your house either.
KarenTOC
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gov't reg. thought not required.
kingpin008
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You may have to, but that's most certainly not a Nationwide requirement.
Yes, it was...
You received the firearm from the dealer who was looking at you while you filled out the paperwork.
He received it from the guy that you sent the funds to.
Fundamentally no different than an out-of-state purchase.
You could have avoided this by driving back to the selling dealer.
If'n you'd bought it from an individual, he or she could have had it delivered to you, providing shipping rules were followed.
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Bubbles
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That is a VA state law. Federal law requires one state-issued photo ID.
Al Thompson
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The dealer has to verify that the person filling out the 4473 and the person on the photo ID are one and the same. You have to close real estate transactions the same way for for the same general reason.
Fraud avoidance.DoubleTapDrew
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^ have to give them thumb prints too.
NavyLCDR
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In Oregon.
Chemist
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ALL laws are behind the technology, you don't expect our fat-cats in washington to be up to speed with the tech-heads...they just figured out Twitter! It's like teaching my Grandma about email, she still thinks it will just shoot out the printer...YIKES!
Coolbreeze8804
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I believe that it also has to do with the requirement of the seller to "not think you are doing bad things". I think there is a requirement for them to vouch that they have no reason to suspect that the deal is a straw deal, fraudulent, done under duress, etc.... I thought I read something about that in the section describing the requirement to VERIFY ID, not just check, and to reasonable beleive that the answers on the 4473 are correct.
Well, the guy I use isn't really a "dealer", per se, just an FFL that does transfers for people. A retired gent that makes a pretty dang good living just doing transfers. Transaction was identical to out-of-state purchases I've made.
And the pawn shop I got the rifle from is a 5 hour drive one-way, so paying for the shipping and transfer fee was pretty painless in comparison.
TexasRifleman
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Balrog said:
I see what you did there, trying to use "gun law" and "thought process" in the same sentence.
That was funny
OK this is probably a stupid question, but how does the fed gov justify any regulation of gun sales that occur within a state?
I can understand that they might be ableto justify interstate sales and transfers, but why can they involve themselves with trade that occurs within a state?
If for example the law was challenged, how would they argue their case in court?
I can understand that they might be ableto justify interstate sales and transfers, but why can they involve themselves with trade that occurs within a state?
If for example the law was challenged, how would they argue their case in court?
brboyer
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Because we have allowed them to circumvented the intent of the Interstate Commerce Clause.
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