Do those post=9/11 "Freedom" stickers sicken you too?
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Mike Irwin
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"I guaran-damn-tee you that none of them know the proper orientation of our flag when hung on a wall."
After 9-11 I had a number of people in my community come to me to ask me the correct way to display an American flag.
When hung flat against a building, the field should be pointing left as you view it. If someone is speaking in front of it, it would hang over the speakers right shoulder.
After 9-11 I had a number of people in my community come to me to ask me the correct way to display an American flag.
When hung flat against a building, the field should be pointing left as you view it. If someone is speaking in front of it, it would hang over the speakers right shoulder.
dd-b
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The rule I know is that the blue/white field of stars should be in the upper left. If that's what you mean by "the field", then we agree. (I do think the "upper" is important, though!)
I'm at least slightly sympathetic to people who get it wrong in windows -- if it's visible from both sides, it's wrong on one of them unavoidably, and even if it's visible only from one side, if they're doing it from the inside they have to put it up "backwards" to them for it to show right from outside. But they should go back and fix it as soon as they see it from the outside.
Marshall
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I'll drive my Gas Guzzlin Big Block Chevy Suburban 4X4 as much as I wish, thank you. I'll also drive my Ford F150 5.4 liter and blow around in my 225 HP Bass Boat, ride my motorcycles and four wheelers as much as my heart desires. All the while, being as much an American and doing as much as you so called conservatives (closet Liberals) to promote and defend our rights to do so!
The people that talk about supporting our rights in this country then scoff at those of us driving American Made vehicles of our choice, are more than likely the same people that supported Gore because of his felt need to do away with the internal combustion engine.
I love my guns!
Marshall
The people that talk about supporting our rights in this country then scoff at those of us driving American Made vehicles of our choice, are more than likely the same people that supported Gore because of his felt need to do away with the internal combustion engine.
I love my guns!
Marshall
Peetmoss
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The only thing that bothers me about those little flags everyone has been putting on there cars is there pretty much all made in CHINA or some other crap hole place.
As far as the gas guzzlers go they only bother me when they have a save the planet sticker, Green Peace, or other similar bumper sticker.
As far as the gas guzzlers go they only bother me when they have a save the planet sticker, Green Peace, or other similar bumper sticker.
Peetmoss
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Marshall
I hate to burst your bubble but there is a decent chance that your Suburban and or your F150 was assembled in Canada or Mexico.
I hate to burst your bubble but there is a decent chance that your Suburban and or your F150 was assembled in Canada or Mexico.
F=ma
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I drive an 16 mpg Chevy 4x4 about 10 miles each day.
My ultralib sister drives a 30 mpg Honda about 60 miles each day.
Who contributes more to the "death and destruction" of the planet?
I do, of course!
Sentiment (stickers, "greenness", whatever) is one thing, practice is another.
My ultralib sister drives a 30 mpg Honda about 60 miles each day.
Who contributes more to the "death and destruction" of the planet?
I do, of course!
Sentiment (stickers, "greenness", whatever) is one thing, practice is another.
King
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Well, I guess I'll take the other fork in the road and just suggest that more flags and more flag stickers on vehicles is a sign of a return(ing) to patriotism in this country (or at least a significant improvement).
I will seek not to know what's in their heart relative to pro-gun or anti-gun. Personally, I think more people are converting to our side because they no longer feel safe and they now realize that our nations enemies have now stepped onto our soil and hurt us. What happened on 9/11 should be a wake up call and I think that's what we're seeing.
I'm hoping it's not a fad. I love to see our flag and it's symbol, even if it's a sticker on a fancy car.
I think also that more fence sitters are leaning our way. Some of those may be the people some of you are picking on.
Personally, I'm not much for putting stickers on cars but to each his own.
I will seek not to know what's in their heart relative to pro-gun or anti-gun. Personally, I think more people are converting to our side because they no longer feel safe and they now realize that our nations enemies have now stepped onto our soil and hurt us. What happened on 9/11 should be a wake up call and I think that's what we're seeing.
I'm hoping it's not a fad. I love to see our flag and it's symbol, even if it's a sticker on a fancy car.
I think also that more fence sitters are leaning our way. Some of those may be the people some of you are picking on.
Personally, I'm not much for putting stickers on cars but to each his own.
2nd Amendment
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eap, umm, I'm not sure how to put this gently so allow me to be blunt: You're wrong.
I've been in the auto business off and on for a couple decades and owned my own lots for the last seven years. Hands down the vehicles with the best resale value and least maintenance problems are, in order, GMC/Chevy, Ford and then Dodge trucks and SUV's. I sell these things with 350k on them and more and still get good money with few complaints.
Imports? Great, so long as they are less than five years old and under 150k. After that they invented the Incredible Shrinking Interior(then sold the idea to Berretta/Corsica and Mustang) where everything dries out and separates from everything else. Mitsubishi has to have a patent on the Smoking V-6 from hell, also. Yeah, you can get those incredible mileage tales out of them, but it will cost you more and you won't look as good doing it after year four. I base these statements on real life experience with several hundred cars a year of my own and thousands thru auction. This argument has popped up here before and I really ain't interested. If you spend more money on them than I do then talk, otherwise consider yourself lucky you got a couple good rice-grinders in a row and that you apparently live in one of the metro areas where imports perform stronger than domestics in the resale market.
If you trade every few years, buy an import. If you drive 'em till they drop buy an American made truck. Period.
Whatever, they all look silly with one of those stickers on 'em and some Sally Soccermom "driving'.
I've been in the auto business off and on for a couple decades and owned my own lots for the last seven years. Hands down the vehicles with the best resale value and least maintenance problems are, in order, GMC/Chevy, Ford and then Dodge trucks and SUV's. I sell these things with 350k on them and more and still get good money with few complaints.
Imports? Great, so long as they are less than five years old and under 150k. After that they invented the Incredible Shrinking Interior(then sold the idea to Berretta/Corsica and Mustang) where everything dries out and separates from everything else. Mitsubishi has to have a patent on the Smoking V-6 from hell, also. Yeah, you can get those incredible mileage tales out of them, but it will cost you more and you won't look as good doing it after year four. I base these statements on real life experience with several hundred cars a year of my own and thousands thru auction. This argument has popped up here before and I really ain't interested. If you spend more money on them than I do then talk, otherwise consider yourself lucky you got a couple good rice-grinders in a row and that you apparently live in one of the metro areas where imports perform stronger than domestics in the resale market.
If you trade every few years, buy an import. If you drive 'em till they drop buy an American made truck. Period.
Whatever, they all look silly with one of those stickers on 'em and some Sally Soccermom "driving'.
Drizzt
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Those stickers can be a bit deceptive, but when the fellow in front of you has an American flag on the left-hand side of the back window, and a sticker that says "Al-Queda and the U.N. - America's greatest enemies", you have a little better idea of where they stand....
Preacherman
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I think this thread is getting rather too political for the General Discussion forum. Moving to Legal & Political.
Marshall
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Peatmoss,
You're not bursting my bubble at all, I am very well away of that. However, the sales and service support a North American Company, in Chevy or Ford, regardless where they are assembled. My point was about the so called gas guzzlers anyway. Thank you though.
Marshall
You're not bursting my bubble at all, I am very well away of that. However, the sales and service support a North American Company, in Chevy or Ford, regardless where they are assembled. My point was about the so called gas guzzlers anyway. Thank you though.
Marshall
stellarpod
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Well, I guess you've just really nailed me. I have no ability to think for myself, I'm a mouth-breathing, Toyota driving sheeple that'll believe anything that nasty ol' NRA runs down my gullet.
Give it a rest, bud. I'm not a hunter. Haven't hunted in years, but am fairly proficient with a wide variety of firearms. I was proud to display the colors long before 9/11 and I happen to believe that the "I'll Fight for Freedom" sticker pretty well sums up my Constitutional stance. Believe what you want about the NRA's agenda. I'm not trying to convince you, but frankly, don't expect me to give half a hoot about your theories either. I've heard it all before...
Double Naught Spy
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Wow, talk about running with the ball in a variety of directions.
First of all, I was referencing Maher's comments concerning the use of those little flags. This was not my particular sentiment, although I do appreciate the irony. Also, I personally have nothing against you folks who drive big gas guzzlers no matter where they were assembled. Part of what I see as being a significant part of being an American is that you are free to do whatever you want within the boundaries of the law and your pocketbook.
That being said, don't get too patriotic about buying Chevy, Ford or Chryseler. 50 years ago, that dog would hunt, but not today. While the companies are largely American, many of their products are not. To have an American name, the product need not have more that 30% American parts according to my mechanic, hence how you can end up with a Mitsubishi engine in one of the old Chevy Luv pickups. Basically, globalization of the business community makes it impractical for companies to be competitive without heavy reliance on foreign parts OR being heavy subsidies by our own government. Heck, there are some foreign titled cars made here in the US that are likely more American than some of their American-named counterparts.
Suffice it to say that very few if anyone these days who lives and operates in America does so in a 100% American fashion. Hell, our own military even buys a lot of foreign products. Yes, there is a Beretta America, but Beretta is an Italian company. All those computers being used are not full of American chips, bus lines, connectors, etc. Sure, there are American parts, but a lot of foreign parts as well.
Maher's point was simple and apparently I didn't convey it very well. Putting a little sticker on your car is a nice sentiment, but really doesn't do squat to help anything but keep the sticker company in business, especially when you learn some of the manufacturers of such items are in Mexico, Korea, and the Philipines, at least based on the ones I looked at in the local Target store.
Knock yourself out doing what makes you feel good. It is America, after all. But please don't fool yourself in believing that because you have purchased a large $ item such as a car from an American-based company that you are somehow more American for doing that. Those American companies are not nearly as American as you give them credit for being.
First of all, I was referencing Maher's comments concerning the use of those little flags. This was not my particular sentiment, although I do appreciate the irony. Also, I personally have nothing against you folks who drive big gas guzzlers no matter where they were assembled. Part of what I see as being a significant part of being an American is that you are free to do whatever you want within the boundaries of the law and your pocketbook.
That being said, don't get too patriotic about buying Chevy, Ford or Chryseler. 50 years ago, that dog would hunt, but not today. While the companies are largely American, many of their products are not. To have an American name, the product need not have more that 30% American parts according to my mechanic, hence how you can end up with a Mitsubishi engine in one of the old Chevy Luv pickups. Basically, globalization of the business community makes it impractical for companies to be competitive without heavy reliance on foreign parts OR being heavy subsidies by our own government. Heck, there are some foreign titled cars made here in the US that are likely more American than some of their American-named counterparts.
Suffice it to say that very few if anyone these days who lives and operates in America does so in a 100% American fashion. Hell, our own military even buys a lot of foreign products. Yes, there is a Beretta America, but Beretta is an Italian company. All those computers being used are not full of American chips, bus lines, connectors, etc. Sure, there are American parts, but a lot of foreign parts as well.
Maher's point was simple and apparently I didn't convey it very well. Putting a little sticker on your car is a nice sentiment, but really doesn't do squat to help anything but keep the sticker company in business, especially when you learn some of the manufacturers of such items are in Mexico, Korea, and the Philipines, at least based on the ones I looked at in the local Target store.
Knock yourself out doing what makes you feel good. It is America, after all. But please don't fool yourself in believing that because you have purchased a large $ item such as a car from an American-based company that you are somehow more American for doing that. Those American companies are not nearly as American as you give them credit for being.
Marshall
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Double Naught Spy,
I understand what you are saying. However, you can't have it both ways in this discussion. When speaking of Chevy's, Fords, etc. being assembled elsewhere, using forign parts and that makes their purchase not as American as we think, you can't then turn around and say Beretta USA doesn't count because Beretta is an Italian company! Which is it?
Out of curiosity, what would you have us buy?
Thank you,
Marshall
I understand what you are saying. However, you can't have it both ways in this discussion. When speaking of Chevy's, Fords, etc. being assembled elsewhere, using forign parts and that makes their purchase not as American as we think, you can't then turn around and say Beretta USA doesn't count because Beretta is an Italian company! Which is it?
Out of curiosity, what would you have us buy?
Thank you,
Marshall
Mike Irwin
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DD-B,
If the flag visible and will be viewed from both sides, say during a parade or an event, I believe that the field (yes, the stars) should be pointing either North or East, whichever is more fitting for the situation.
In other situations, the contextual aspect needs to be taken into account.
If the flag is displayed in a window, it's safe to say that the primary purpose is for those OUTSIDE to see it, so you would orient it so that when viewed from outside the building it would display correctly.
If the flag visible and will be viewed from both sides, say during a parade or an event, I believe that the field (yes, the stars) should be pointing either North or East, whichever is more fitting for the situation.
In other situations, the contextual aspect needs to be taken into account.
If the flag is displayed in a window, it's safe to say that the primary purpose is for those OUTSIDE to see it, so you would orient it so that when viewed from outside the building it would display correctly.
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2nd Amendment
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Ummm, Double Naught, you got Mitsu engines in Luv trucks because Luvs were bought directly from Mitsu(actually I thought they were Datsuns, but whatever) and Chevy stuck a name sticker on them. They were completely designed and built over seas. Just FYI.
cuchulainn
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For the fussball-frau set, it wasn't really about patriotism. The flags went up as part of a community support system to help the nation deal with its mourning. To them, the flags said "we're all together" as much "I love America." It was a visual hug.
Looking at it that way makes the seeming incongruity less inexplicable.
Not that my explanation will lessen your nausea.
Looking at it that way makes the seeming incongruity less inexplicable.
Not that my explanation will lessen your nausea.
DevilMayCry
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I have to agree that most of the sheeple dont know what the flag means or is about, I personally fly the flag with only 13 stars and stripes, (like the one during the revoulutionary war) to show what are country really needs to remember that we fought against this kind of goverment 250 years ago. I actually had someone ask me where the rest of the stars were. I didnt know what to say I was so shocked. But the flag I fly says Support freedom first, NRA on my work car.
dd-b
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Ah! It makes sense there'd be a rule for that situation, but I didn't previously know that bit, thanks!
Lennyjoe
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First heated topic I've seen here so far.
The flag you fly is the one I serve today.
Let us never forget those who have gone before us to defend that flag.
No one cares about the military until times like this. How unfortunate.
Sleep well America, cause those who care are standing guard at night away from those we love so you can sleep in the same house and continent that they reside.
God Bless the U.S.A.
The flag you fly is the one I serve today.
Let us never forget those who have gone before us to defend that flag.
No one cares about the military until times like this. How unfortunate.
Sleep well America, cause those who care are standing guard at night away from those we love so you can sleep in the same house and continent that they reside.
God Bless the U.S.A.
Mike Irwin
Member
Dr. Jones,
I think a discussion of the proper way to display a flag is on topic here... Can't tell you how many improperly displayed flag decals I've seen on Soccermommobiles...
I think a discussion of the proper way to display a flag is on topic here... Can't tell you how many improperly displayed flag decals I've seen on Soccermommobiles...
labgrade
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Just a quick flash-check on this thread, but Lennyjoe, rest assured that there's many out there that appreciate what you do - every day & night.
I posted in TFL that after the patriot act was signed, I calmly folded my flag, saluted it & gentlty put it away - for now.
I can't be what would be called "patriotic" any longer. They wouldn't understand, & frankly, neither do I.
I've got the T-shirt, proudly served my country & still, all the while, kinda wondered, "Huh?" Things weren't quite right.
They weren't then & they aren't now - maybe never really were & might never be.
Sad thing, this might be the best it'll ever get unless we knuckle down to make it what so many of us always believed it to be in the first place. That we were a bit too "polyanna" isn't our fault. The Documents say what they say & somebody else stole it while we weren't watching.
Well, high time we started watching again & grab a big ol' hunk of what a coupla dead ol' white guys said something about .....
I won't fly the flag, I won't say the pledge - coupla other things I won't do - for now.
I will honor those who keep up the good fight though ....
Lennyjoes & ilk - hat's off, Sirs & M'ams - in uniform & out, thank you.
That is America.
I posted in TFL that after the patriot act was signed, I calmly folded my flag, saluted it & gentlty put it away - for now.
I can't be what would be called "patriotic" any longer. They wouldn't understand, & frankly, neither do I.
I've got the T-shirt, proudly served my country & still, all the while, kinda wondered, "Huh?" Things weren't quite right.
They weren't then & they aren't now - maybe never really were & might never be.
Sad thing, this might be the best it'll ever get unless we knuckle down to make it what so many of us always believed it to be in the first place. That we were a bit too "polyanna" isn't our fault. The Documents say what they say & somebody else stole it while we weren't watching.
Well, high time we started watching again & grab a big ol' hunk of what a coupla dead ol' white guys said something about .....
I won't fly the flag, I won't say the pledge - coupla other things I won't do - for now.
I will honor those who keep up the good fight though ....
Lennyjoes & ilk - hat's off, Sirs & M'ams - in uniform & out, thank you.
That is America.
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