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Yeah, it could be interpreted all those ways, but won't be.
Do you feel products like this can cast a negative or violent image of gun owners?
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To each their own, but I don't think its in the best interest of anyone to pander to the gun control crowd, and self-censorship of projects like this would, to me, qualify as pandering. As long as my gun in functionally legal in every way, its no one's concern what it looks like. We're well beyond the days of blued steel and walnut adorning the average rifle, and people are going to have to get used to a different idea of what a "gun" looks like.
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So when is the matching pistol upper coming out?
I want to see that thing flipping brass out the side of its skull while it's belching fire out its forehead.
Yea, it probably would freak certain people out, but those people are going to be freaked out, skull or not. Super bad or super badder, pretty much the same. I doubt it's going to show up on any ban list.
"All assault rifles but ESPECIALLY that one with the skull on it"
Anybody else is either going to roll their eyes, appreciate it, or be indifferent.
But hey, as long as you are going to have an extended, flared, and textured for grip mag well , it might as well have a skull on it, right?
Edit: I just thought about something...with today's technology, some extensive program modifications and ahem...artistic license, what's to keep someone from designing a working sculpture/ar15?
Something like that skull, but on a bigger scale, throughout the gun, built up around the original interior dimensions.
A machined stock, upper, lower, and hand guard, all fitting together into something like a dragon or whatever?
You could even build a kazoo into the compensator so your dragun ar15 sculpture roars,
Remember, you saw it here first, lol
I want to see that thing flipping brass out the side of its skull while it's belching fire out its forehead.
Yea, it probably would freak certain people out, but those people are going to be freaked out, skull or not. Super bad or super badder, pretty much the same. I doubt it's going to show up on any ban list.
"All assault rifles but ESPECIALLY that one with the skull on it"
Anybody else is either going to roll their eyes, appreciate it, or be indifferent.
But hey, as long as you are going to have an extended, flared, and textured for grip mag well , it might as well have a skull on it, right?
Edit: I just thought about something...with today's technology, some extensive program modifications and ahem...artistic license, what's to keep someone from designing a working sculpture/ar15?
Something like that skull, but on a bigger scale, throughout the gun, built up around the original interior dimensions.
A machined stock, upper, lower, and hand guard, all fitting together into something like a dragon or whatever?
You could even build a kazoo into the compensator so your dragun ar15 sculpture roars,
Remember, you saw it here first, lol
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zchry
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The fact that it could be interpreted in different ways means it will be. Just look at our posts here. We interpret it as cool, tacky, tasteless, and probably more than a few others that I misread or views that haven't been posted yet.
76shuvlinoff
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Tight groups COM on a BG silhouette would offend someone. We don't get to go thru life unoffended.
Would I sport it on a firearm? No. I might bling up a Harley but I like my firearms "low profile".
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Would I sport it on a firearm? No. I might bling up a Harley but I like my firearms "low profile".
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does it come with red LEDs in the eyes so they light up when I pull the trigger? If not, I'm not interested.
Is there a He-Man version coming soon?
There are plenty of mods that could influence people negatively, from AR dust covers with phrases and images engraved on them, to 1911 grip panels with skull logos and other stuff, to Glock rear plates with skulls and what not. Who cares?
Is it bad because you subscribe to the "We are all ambassadors for the gun community" way of thinking, and don't want to possibly offend 2A fence sitters?
I don't want to pay the premium for the lower to have a goofy bulky skull motif. But if that's what floats your boat, I'm all for it.
Is there a He-Man version coming soon?
There are plenty of mods that could influence people negatively, from AR dust covers with phrases and images engraved on them, to 1911 grip panels with skull logos and other stuff, to Glock rear plates with skulls and what not. Who cares?
Is it bad because you subscribe to the "We are all ambassadors for the gun community" way of thinking, and don't want to possibly offend 2A fence sitters?
I don't want to pay the premium for the lower to have a goofy bulky skull motif. But if that's what floats your boat, I'm all for it.
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Oh, it surely does, no doubt.
Just like people felt negatively about truck owners when this came on the screen
or Southerners when they saw this on television
and started doing their own interpretations
http://upload.bayoushooter.com/images/2ou35iqr2w2hpokb9fh.jpg
https://chivethethrottle.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/general-lee-500-general-lee-art-car-22wtmk.jpg
http://freewebs.com/janinnvaer/GeneralLee-747259.jpg
By which I mean to say that I believe most people can distinguish between a 'flight of fantasy' and something actually intended to be menacing.
Just like people felt negatively about truck owners when this came on the screen
or Southerners when they saw this on television
and started doing their own interpretations
http://upload.bayoushooter.com/images/2ou35iqr2w2hpokb9fh.jpg
https://chivethethrottle.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/general-lee-500-general-lee-art-car-22wtmk.jpg
http://freewebs.com/janinnvaer/GeneralLee-747259.jpg
By which I mean to say that I believe most people can distinguish between a 'flight of fantasy' and something actually intended to be menacing.
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I remember the same issue when this ak furniture came out..
It also had a matching stock but I can't find a pic of it.
It also had a matching stock but I can't find a pic of it.
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Guns exist to serve. One man or woman's pleasure is somebody else's trash. I wouldn't buy it in a heartbeat.
But....
Does it degrade firearm ownership?
No, liberal thinking politicians and those who have an unwarranted fear of firearms and disregard for the 2nd Amendment do.
But....
Does it degrade firearm ownership?
No, liberal thinking politicians and those who have an unwarranted fear of firearms and disregard for the 2nd Amendment do.
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Glad someone else remembers Maximum Overdrive 
All I know, is that skull AR lower needs a magazine with a lower jaw/teeth molded into it, and a spine for a free float tube handguard, and a bony foot for a buttstock
The aesthetic is called "grotesque," folks, and it is a respected and historical art form going back like a thousand years (at least). Has nothing to do with Dia del los Muertos or violent bikers or whatever. More of a middle ages/late Rennaisance thing, as death was a lot more palpable in daily life back then. Now, we have the luxury of denying it.
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All I know, is that skull AR lower needs a magazine with a lower jaw/teeth molded into it, and a spine for a free float tube handguard, and a bony foot for a buttstock
The aesthetic is called "grotesque," folks, and it is a respected and historical art form going back like a thousand years (at least). Has nothing to do with Dia del los Muertos or violent bikers or whatever. More of a middle ages/late Rennaisance thing, as death was a lot more palpable in daily life back then. Now, we have the luxury of denying it.
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Bigdog57
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My biggest gripe would be paying that kind of money for a bare-bones (yeah, made a funny....) lower! Sheesh. A bit of profit mark-up is one thing but this is ridiculous.
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If you need to ask that question I think you've already answered it!
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There is no accounting for taste, it has been said.
My approach to society is to be peaceable, but with just a hint of menace. I'm talking about manner, not decoration.
My approach to society is to be peaceable, but with just a hint of menace. I'm talking about manner, not decoration.
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An interesting discussion.
I agree with everyone who has said that the anti gun folks are going to be antigun regardless of the gun's appearance. Gun haters hate guns, plain and simple.
There have been a few legitimate points brought up that the skull has been an iconic human image for a very long time and can mean a lot of different things to different people. I personally have a number of animal skulls sitting around in my home, outside in the yard, and on my desk at work (I'm a forester so it's acceptable in my office.) I've always loved the natural history museum feel of having different biological specimens sitting around. To me, there is nothing grim or dark about it. Death is a part of life. It just is.
If you really wanted to get crazy and goth with it, design some furniture that looks like arms and skeletal hands wrapping around the barrel, or holding out a bayonet. Then we are talking some serious Army of Darkness paraphernalia!
I have to acknowledge the creativity of it also, and similar items could be made with different imagery.
I guess I don't particularly like it, and would never put something like it on one of my guns. As some have pointed out, if you did use that gun for self defense, I can definitely see a lawyer trying to use it as an indication that you are a nut or a vigilante. In that context, it could kind of be twisted against us. Otherwise, it's just a gaudy accessory.
My approach is to simply avoid society. "What's that? The group is headed that way? Ok, well....... I'll be over here........ or just out of sight."
I agree with everyone who has said that the anti gun folks are going to be antigun regardless of the gun's appearance. Gun haters hate guns, plain and simple.
There have been a few legitimate points brought up that the skull has been an iconic human image for a very long time and can mean a lot of different things to different people. I personally have a number of animal skulls sitting around in my home, outside in the yard, and on my desk at work (I'm a forester so it's acceptable in my office.) I've always loved the natural history museum feel of having different biological specimens sitting around. To me, there is nothing grim or dark about it. Death is a part of life. It just is.
If you really wanted to get crazy and goth with it, design some furniture that looks like arms and skeletal hands wrapping around the barrel, or holding out a bayonet. Then we are talking some serious Army of Darkness paraphernalia!
I have to acknowledge the creativity of it also, and similar items could be made with different imagery.
I guess I don't particularly like it, and would never put something like it on one of my guns. As some have pointed out, if you did use that gun for self defense, I can definitely see a lawyer trying to use it as an indication that you are a nut or a vigilante. In that context, it could kind of be twisted against us. Otherwise, it's just a gaudy accessory.
My approach is to simply avoid society. "What's that? The group is headed that way? Ok, well....... I'll be over here........ or just out of sight."
Much ado about nothing. All this talk about negative social impacts on the owner like a forehead tattoo or going to work in underwear, sheesh. The rifle is going to be in a safe 24/7 except that 1 day every other month when it goes from safe, to case, to car, to range, to "ooh, that's cool," back to case, back to car, back into safe.
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Ok, my urge to re-enjoy Maximum Overdrive just went in to Hyperdrive.
The fact that is has an angry, faceless M60 is even better. Ebil, EBIL gun. Only one i've ever seen that woke up one day all on its own and said "It's murderin people day !"
Gotta watch those inanimate objects.... Sometimes I guess they become animate; but only in the movies so far.
Personally, I don't like the skullAR. Also would not want one in the "evidence" column.
One would hope that if you had the cash for this, you would have the cash for a more mundane defensive weapon.
With that said, one would hope that being judged by ones peers; 12 AR toting, 2nd amendment supporting guys and gals all strapped up and ready to go to court
...that they would overlook your choice of arm design in time of need.
The fact that is has an angry, faceless M60 is even better. Ebil, EBIL gun. Only one i've ever seen that woke up one day all on its own and said "It's murderin people day !"
Gotta watch those inanimate objects.... Sometimes I guess they become animate; but only in the movies so far.
Personally, I don't like the skullAR. Also would not want one in the "evidence" column.
One would hope that if you had the cash for this, you would have the cash for a more mundane defensive weapon.
With that said, one would hope that being judged by ones peers; 12 AR toting, 2nd amendment supporting guys and gals all strapped up and ready to go to court
...that they would overlook your choice of arm design in time of need. Sport45
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Looks a bit too Halloweenie for my taste.
If someone hasn't noticed - skulls are definitely "in" as a decorative aesthetic.
T-shirts? Thousands of variations worn daily.
Stickers? We just got more in for applying to vehicles. Common on a lot of cars and trucks.
People are reaching down into the offensive precisely because of the stratification of social life - I got money, you don't - so it creates boundaries. I'm "skull," all about death and menace, you ain't.
Bikers have been doing this for over 65 years. Add in all the other groups who sought to distinguish themselves from the mainstream.
Did you Dad or Grandpa sport fuzzy dice on the mirrors in the '50s? Many did NOT - they had a shrunken head with stitched over eyes and mouth. A simple fantasy rubber piece made offshore and sold in a lot of gas stations back then. It came from an aboriginal practice of eating other humans and then preserving the remains as a token example of their power.
Yep, the '50's weren't all bobby socks and poodle skirts. Popular notion on PBS, the reality was a lot darker on some days. No real difference than now.
I wouldn't be worried about a skull on an AR - in comparison to the nudie grips for 1911's, it's relatively tame. These items are sometimes meant to offend, as much as possible, to distinguish the people who possess them and set them apart from the herd. Like the crowd of Darth Mauls who show up at conventions.
In today's society nice doesn't get you anything but disrespect - the common currency is now anger and menace. You either got some or you are prey. THIS is why Open Carry is so attractive.
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's . . .
T-shirts? Thousands of variations worn daily.
Stickers? We just got more in for applying to vehicles. Common on a lot of cars and trucks.
People are reaching down into the offensive precisely because of the stratification of social life - I got money, you don't - so it creates boundaries. I'm "skull," all about death and menace, you ain't.
Bikers have been doing this for over 65 years. Add in all the other groups who sought to distinguish themselves from the mainstream.
Did you Dad or Grandpa sport fuzzy dice on the mirrors in the '50s? Many did NOT - they had a shrunken head with stitched over eyes and mouth. A simple fantasy rubber piece made offshore and sold in a lot of gas stations back then. It came from an aboriginal practice of eating other humans and then preserving the remains as a token example of their power.
Yep, the '50's weren't all bobby socks and poodle skirts. Popular notion on PBS, the reality was a lot darker on some days. No real difference than now.
I wouldn't be worried about a skull on an AR - in comparison to the nudie grips for 1911's, it's relatively tame. These items are sometimes meant to offend, as much as possible, to distinguish the people who possess them and set them apart from the herd. Like the crowd of Darth Mauls who show up at conventions.
In today's society nice doesn't get you anything but disrespect - the common currency is now anger and menace. You either got some or you are prey. THIS is why Open Carry is so attractive.
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's . . .
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"Ok, my urge to re-enjoy Maximum Overdrive just went in to Hyperdrive.
The fact that is has an angry, faceless M60 is even better. Ebil, EBIL gun. Only one i've ever seen that woke up one day all on its own and said "It's murderin people day !"
The M60 wasn't possessed by aliens (or whatever the stupid 'plot' was), it just had a worn-down sear
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The fact that is has an angry, faceless M60 is even better. Ebil, EBIL gun. Only one i've ever seen that woke up one day all on its own and said "It's murderin people day !"
The M60 wasn't possessed by aliens (or whatever the stupid 'plot' was), it just had a worn-down sear
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I meant by people in neither the pro nor anti camp, those are the ones I think it is important to care about. The antis are not going to be converted but the people in the middle can be persuaded by positive images, like Eddie Eagle and all the photos on the NRA site of wholesome-looking young women engaging in shooting, but they will run in the opposite direction at the sight of anything that looks to them like something a gangbanger would dream up.
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