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Has anyone noticed in Haiti and in Chile that the thugs and home invasions have started almost before dust clears. People protecting their homes and family's show very effectively why we should alway's be ready and be able to look a thug in the face jack the slide on your HDG and say " just leave if you want to survive".
The willingness to stand and fight must be spoken in action not speech. Remember don't let the bastards see you afraid, look them in the eye and Smile!!
 
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The disaster is only the first dangerous event. The weeks following are even more dangerous as desperate people fall into barbarism. Fortunately, in Chile, people are ALLOWED to have handguns, 22 caliber rifles and hunting shotguns. Not many take advantage of this privilege.

There was only one shooting range in Santiago in 2002 and it closed a year later. Ammo was incredibly expensive. 50 rounds of 22 LR was around $10. 40 S&W cost nearly $30 for 50 (double normal gun shop prices for Winchester USA). A Glock 22 was $800,000 pesos, which is about $1100-1200 depending upon the exchange rate. In looking at the prices, I figured on $1k for a decent used handgun. I spent $150 in two hours there.
 
Putin plays Hard Ball and is classified as Does not play well with Others.

I still remember the Korean Store owners defending their property in the Post Rodney King Riots in LA . AK -47's gets looters attention.
 
No surprise. Emergency services will be swamped, and telephone lines will be down. People may be traveling with their remaining belongings, making it easy to blend if while carrying stolen goods. If you're the sort of person to rob others, I can't imagine a better time to do so.
 
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It is always smart to be prepared for a natural disaster, or any other unexpected circumstance.

That being said... your lack of perspective is bothersome. I am sure if the people you saw on tv, lived in Missouri, their actions may more resemble yours. If you lived in Haiti or Chile under such dire circumstances, your actions may more resemble theirs. To call them all "thugs" is just stupid, but this is a free country and you are entitled to yours.

Very noble to sit on one's couch and judge the actions of those that are fighting for survival. Seems that a retired military man could appreciate this.
 
Very noble to sit on one's couch and judge the actions of those that are fighting for survival
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Not sure what you are saying here.

Are you suggesting that morality and acceptable behavior are dependent on the situation? That it's OK to loot someone else's home?

It sounds like you are suggesting that a lack of preparation gives one a moral excuse to take from those that did prepare. Surely that's not what you are saying.
 
Not sure what you are saying here.

Are you suggesting that morality and acceptable behavior are dependent on the situation?
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That is exactly what I am saying.

Do you think the soccer team that crash landed in the Andes mountains and survived by eating their dead compadres made moral decisions? Do you think they would have done this under any other circumstance? Do you feel you are in the position to judge this?

My father fought in Vietnam... and to this day, he is disturbed by the reception he received when he returned home...by those that sat on their couch and never experienced what he did. The same applies here.
 
I read a news article this morning. It talked about shop owners protecting their stores with rifles and shot guns. Nothing said about LE trying to stop the store owners. But it was stated again that the Govt has said there is a shortage of LE and military for protecting the good populace and personal property. Guns and ammo may be steep, and ownership limited, but atleast the Govt isn't tying the individuals with weapons hands and keeping them from defending themselves.
This is one time I can say good for the Govt. Atleast they didn't go Post-Katrina and start "collecting" weapons.
 
I was in New Orleans shortly after all the water was removed from Katrina.

Many houses/buildings people had spray painted something close to "burglars will be killed" I really didn't want to see if it was true.
 
Do you think the soccer team that crash landed in the Andes mountains and survived by eating their dead compadres made moral decisions? Do you think they would have done this under any other circumstance? Do you feel you are in the position to judge this?
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Eating dead people is hardly the same as killing living people and stealing their stuff.

The OP used the term "thug" and I think that would be correct.

I'm thinking most VietNam vets would be disgusted to have you compare their actions to those of looters. But as you say, it's a free country so say whatever you want.
 
Do you think the soccer team that crash landed in the Andes mountains and survived by eating their dead compadres made moral decisions? Do you think they would have done this under any other circumstance? Do you feel you are in the position to judge this?
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TOTALLY silly ---- the soccer team were forced to eat the DEAD. They DID NOT go and murder the liveing !!! BIG DIFFERENCE !!!!

As been said ---- if YOU didn't prepare or have family/friends to help you , then it is fine to go to someone else and take/steal/loot what they have ?? To go your point further , if "they" come to my house/camp site and demand I give them what is legally/morally mine --- then they have the right to kill me and my family to get it ????

My father fought in Vietnam... and to this day, he is disturbed by the reception he received when he returned home...by those that sat on their couch and never experienced what he did. The same applies here.
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Do me and yourself a big favor ---- ask your Dad what he would think if some one comes to HIS house/camp and wants/takes by force what is his. Please get back to us on this !!!
 
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That being said... your lack of perspective is bothersome. I am sure if the people you saw on tv, lived in Missouri, their actions may more resemble yours. If you lived in Haiti or Chile under such dire circumstances, your actions may more resemble theirs. To call them all "thugs" is just stupid, but this is a free country and you are entitled to yours.
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Dad always said there were two kinds of people; the prepared and the unprepared.

Remember Aesop's fable of the industrious ant and the welfare grasshopper?

I'm a well-armed ant, in no mood to just hand over what I've worked hard to earn.

KR
 
Let me add ---- be it Missouri , Chile , Haiti , New Orleans or Chicago IL. { where I'm near } the THUGS will ALWAYS prey on the weaker people. That is how they are "hard-wired" or whatever fancy way you want to say it. Just a FACT of Life , always has been and always will be { sad to say} .
 
Roger James- I'm also a little disturbed by someone's atitude but it's not mine. I hope your not justifying not protecting ones own family and property just because one is prepared. It's a little hard to follow your thinking.
I'm sorry my Dad didn't fight in Viet Nam, He was in a prision-of-war camp in Germany for most of WWll and he's no pasifist. It was I who fought for my country and familiy in Viet Nam, and that's the damnest comparision I've ever heard. I can't beleave any Vet after seeing any war would take the THUGS side in looting of People protecting their property and families. The ones who would have looted and killed in the U.S. in that situation are the same ones who spit on and called me and your dad killers. I don't take killing lightly but I've killed and will kill again if backed into my protective zone.
The guy who mentioned the Rodney King riots in LA knows about what happened there. I was at 11029 Washington Blvd, Culver City, with Fires all around, protecting my weekend job from looters. That is the Martin B. Retting Gun shop and if you would care to ask Dan Retting if was Navyretired1 was on the roof that night with an M14 and ten loaded mags he'll know exactly to whom you refer. We didn't get looted because we were prepared and ready to defend property from THUGS who were stealing everthing they could and burning what was left.
I served in the military for 28 years and never saw anyone who wanted to defend THUGS.
I'm very sorry to hear your imput but as someone else said In this country you can have one.
 
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Reminds of when I was just a kid and my family lived in a neighborhood with some reputation for hooligans.
One night someone was messing with our screen door. It was very early in the morning and my father was the one who reacted to it. He told me he got the old shotgun my uncle gave him and walked quietly to the front door and very deliberately racked the slide as loud as he could.
No one ever messed with our door after that.
 
rogerjames have you lost your mind?

"Not sure what you are saying here.

Are you suggesting that morality and acceptable behavior are dependent on the situation?"

"That is exactly what I am saying."

Dude, there's always a "situation" that drives people to crime, beating their wife, raping chicks, whatever. By your reasoning, if I don't have what I think that I need, I should just go and take it from anyone weaker than me, and you had damn well better not judge me because you aren't in my shoes. You're crazy! There's never a justification for being a thief/murderer. But, like another on here said, it's a free country and I have the freedom to blow you away the second you cross my threshold. So in the case that there's a natural disaster, and you are on the street on your self justified killing/looting streak, I hope that you choose my house instead of some old granny or a single mother.

There, I've said my piece, now I have to go jump out of an airplane, maybe that will cool me down a bit.. some people...
 
Those flat screens they're stealing ... How does one prepare such a thing for dinner? Or do you just watch the food commercials and rub your belly and say, "Man, that was good!"?

Woody
 
Before we paint everyone in disaster areas with a broad brush, let's consider the difference between looting and survival.

In Haiti, (and in some areas of NO after the hurricane) aid was stalled in getting to areas where the situation was critical. Many people were without food or water for days. There is a limited amount of time that the average person can survive without food and water, and many of those people were also injured. If they broke into a grocery store to get food and water to survive, I can't call it looting. If, on the other hand they were breaking into a retail store to get a big screen TV, they are nothing more than thieves.
 
If you were one of the few in New Orleans that 1. stayed in your home 2. was not flooded and 3. that had a generator... you most definitely had need of a fire arm to keep the roaming packs of looters away...

We lost power this past Thur. evening (just four days ago) during the "Huri-blizzard" and Fri. morning I had to roll out the generator.

When the radio news said that the lights were out in over 200,000 homes, and it could be up to a week or more for many to get it back, I pulled the "designated EBR" out of the RSC in the basement and hung it on a hook near the door with two mags on top of the mantle, just in case.

During last winters ice storm, a good friend was out trying to find gas and coffee, and wound up witnessing an altercation involving shots fired at a long queue for coffee at a convenience store that was up and running on a generator. He had to drive 30 miles for gas.

Just to highlight another key commodity to have on hand. This same guy found out that the Honda dealer had generators for sale, but no power to swipe credit cards. He keeps a couple thousand bucks in his gun safe and managed to purchase one.

When the lights go out, cash is king!
 
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