Don't "Cotton" to the Old Guard

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at the NRA taking over. Especially foxes like Charles Cotton that was responsible for internal audits that were supposed to prevent the excesses that made the NRA vulnerable.


 
If you aren't a member, you can't vote.
The only way changes can be made are by our voting.
The Supreme Court has said that money is a form of free speech and can influence votes. If enough members stop sending the NRA money they will be forced to change. Right now I see the NRA as a serious distraction and threat to gun ownership and unless they change both people and policies I cannot vote with my money for the organization to continue.
 
at the NRA taking over. Especially foxes like Charles Cotton that was responsible for internal audits that were supposed to prevent the excesses that made the NRA vulnerable.

As the great rock band The Who sang - "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

I expected nothing less from this corrupt organization. My money goes to GOA, SAF, FPC, JPFO, WAC and a couple others. At least they're filing lawsuits for injunctions in our battleground states (to include mine), not spending the money on custom tailored suits and yachting vacations in the Caribbean.
 
If you aren't a member, you can't vote.
The only way changes can be made are by our voting.
This is no longer true. WLP and his cronies made subtle changes over years to the NRA's bylaws that insulates the top most leadership positions of the NRA from the membership and even the board of directors. Your vote makes basically no difference to the NRA senior leadership. WLP's departure is a good first step but without meaningful changes to the NRA's bylaws we will be right back to the same leadership problems in short order if not immediately.
 
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As the great rock band The Who sang - "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

I expected nothing less from this corrupt organization. My money goes to GOA, SAF, FPC, JPFO, WAC and a couple others. At least they're filing lawsuits for injunctions in our battleground states (to include mine), not spending the money on custom tailored suits and yachting vacations in the Caribbean.
I send money to the GOA and JFPO.

The NRA hasn't seen a dime from me since WLP's exposure as a scumbag.
 
Who else would take over if not the old guard? They are the ones in power. Just because one falls, doesn't mean that they rest don't want the position, right?

If you aren't a member, you can't vote.
The only way changes can be made are by our voting.

So what you are saying is that people should pay money to a financially hemorrhaging organization that they felt has done them wrong financially or otherwise is not doing them right, so that said people can vote in hopes of making changes to said organization with no assurance changes will be made? That sounds almost as financially irresponsible as what LaPierre was doing, just on a smaller scale, LOL.

NOPE.
 
As the great rock band The Who sang - "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

I expected nothing less from this corrupt organization. My money goes to GOA, SAF, FPC, JPFO, WAC and a couple others. At least they're filing lawsuits for injunctions in our battleground states (to include mine), not spending the money on custom tailored suits and yachting vacations in the Caribbean.
I only give NRA my dues. Donations go to SAF, FPC, JPFO, GOA, and last but definitely not least AZCDL.
 
This is no longer true. WLP and his cronies made subtle changes over years to the NRA's bylaws that insulates the top most leadership positions of the NRA from the membership and even the board of directors. Your vote makes basically no difference to the NRA senior leadership. WLP's departure is a good first step but without meaningful changes to the NRA's bylaws we will be right back to the same leadership problems in short order if not immediately.
Is there any way we can get the bylaws changed?
 
Yeah, so while we would hate to pillage the whole organization leadership, LaPierre was just the tip of the proverbial ice berg. In CapnMac's terms, they are undoubtedly part of the cancer and have been willfully part of all the garbage that has been going on for a long time. As a whole, this old guard wasn't doing much guarding and/or were complicit in what was going on. Expecting one of them make the organization righteous is about like expecting Biden do do away with the ATF.
 
This is such a damn shame. I want badly to support the NRA, as so many do. But I'm also sure that the board knows millions will continue to send them money just based on emotion and fear, so why should they change? I agree with many, without wholesale changes on the board, it will still be hard to support them. My 5 year membership is running out soon, so I do get a vote still. But that never seems to matter.

I will support other gun organizations, but it's hard to watch the NRA dig their own grave.
 
Gotta say I really don't understand all the "hand wringing" over whether to support this org or not. They are corrupt. They don't care about you or your rights. They were supposed to be the biggest advocate for the 2A and, while maybe it was true in the past, it sure is not true now. WLP was merely the symptom, the cause is still there.

There are much better, much stronger advocates worth supporting. Doesn't seem like a hard decision nor one to moon over...
 
This is no longer true. WLP and his cronies made subtle changes over years to the NRA's bylaws that insulates the top most leadership positions of the NRA from the membership and even the board of directors. Your vote makes basically no difference to the NRA senior leadership. WLP's departure is a good first step but without meaningful changes to the NRA's bylaws we will be right back to the same leadership problems in short order if not immediately.
Exactly this.😡
Other organations that actually are accountable to members will get my money.
 
I don't disagree that the NRA needs some house cleaning but still have ask one question. What organization does the gun grabbers fear the most? It is still the NRA. How much press do you read and hear about the NRA while the others go unmentioned? It is all NRA this or that..
 
If you aren't a member, you can't vote.
The only way changes can be made are by our voting.

This puts many of us in a Catch-22 situation.

I, for one, am NOT willing to rejoin membership of the NRA until they adequately demonstrate a meaningful change of both leadership AND direction. I'm not throwing good money after bad.

There are other gun rights organizations I'm perfectly happy to support, such as the Second Amendment Foundation or Gun Owners of America, to name a couple.

The NRA stabbed its members in the back and ex-members like myself have a long memory for such things. And I, for one, also know how exceptionally difficult it is to get enough of a leadership turnover in an organization to make fundamental changes for the better. Yes...I COULD join again. I COULD give them my support. And they MIGHT actually change after I toss my vote around. But I'm not stupid. I can see with my own eyes how things are going and what I'm NOT seeing is any significant, if any, demands from the current 4.3 million members of the NRA, all of whom presumably are paying membership dues of $45/$75/$100/$150 each for 1, 2, 3, or 5 years, respectively. Not counting lifetime members at $1,500 each. And an annual income of $282 million in 2021.

Any way you figure it, that's 4.3 MILLION VOICES that I'm NOT seeing being raised for significant and meaningful changes in leadership. And more than a QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS annually during all this nothing-is-going-to-change time that's been going on for what? A decade or so (that we know of)?

WLP has been their executive VP and CEO since 1991. Looking at the list of 67 (so far) NRA presidents, there have been 17 people. (16, if you count Carylyn D. Meadown as having served twice.) 17 presidents worth of people during WLPs time as CEO. And I can't even BEGIN to figure out how many different people and how long said people have served on the NRA board itself. I see there are 26 people listed in their 2023 BoD election results, 25 of which are there for a 3 year term and one for a 2 year term.

That's a whole lotta corporate inertia to work against with respect to joining and expecting my vote, or even untold other new votes, to actually overcome this twisted, inbred debacle and make anything good come of it.

All of these people in leadership positions that are potentially complicit in this fiasco...and millions of members NOT champing at the bit to change things on top of that?

Nope. Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.


AND THEN there's the other added problems associated with making the changes themselves even if significant and meaningful leadership turnover for the better should happen. Namely, all these new people in leadership roles have to ALSO fight against the tide to actually MAKE those changes and KEEP those changes on the right track. They will literally bear the full responsibility for taking on scads of legal and fiduciary screw ups handed down to them.


SO NO. I totally get it with respect to members voting to fix things. But that's NOT going to be ME taking part of that. They have 4.3 million members, MORE than enough to get their act together THEMSELVES and make the required changes happen. If they can't do that, then doubling the membership to 8.6 million people isn't likely to help, either, if only because the vast majority of new people (basic human nature) are simply "along for the ride", as it were.

4.3 million people. $282 million annually. They've got plenty to straighten themselves out with and demonstrate they're worthy of people like me to rejoin membership.
 
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This is no longer true. WLP and his cronies made subtle changes over years to the NRA's bylaws that insulates the top most leadership positions of the NRA from the membership and even the board of directors. Your vote makes basically no difference to the NRA senior leadership. WLP's departure is a good first step but without meaningful changes to the NRA's bylaws we will be right back to the same leadership problems in short order if not immediately.

Good point. Can't change if it's not ALLOWED to be changed.

And WLPs departure means less to me than most people would think. WLP RESIGNED after 33 years as CEO (1991) for "health reasons", plus who knows how long in other positions and membership. He wasn't outted. He wasn't fired. I'm thinking there are still a lot of retirement benefits he's going to be receiving from this, but I can't find anything online about this.

It's nothing more than a sacrificial move that doesn't matter, a token gesture empty of any real meaning.
 
I don't disagree that the NRA needs some house cleaning but still have ask one question. What organization does the gun grabbers fear the most? It is still the NRA. How much press do you read and hear about the NRA while the others go unmentioned? It is all NRA this or that..

But the reality is that there ARE organizations out there who are doing VERY well for us. The Second Amendment Foundation and Gun Owners of America, for one.

If the gun control crowd wants to focus on the NRA while other organizations like these two continue to do awesome work for us...so be it. I'll support their growth. They may not be as well funded as the NRA, but then the NRA has apparently been burning through a significant portion of their funding NOT helping us in the first place.
 
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