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That's a terrible analogy. The Glock is the King of its class in the various gun games. That would make it the firearm equivalent of a race car.
 
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That's a terrible analogy. The Glock is the King of its class in the various gun games. That would make it the firearm equivalent of a race car.
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Nah, his analogy is spot on. (Calling a Hi Point a BMW is very questionable, however).

The "race car" of firearms would have to be a high powered rifle.
 
The Glock is the King of its class in the various gun games. That would make it the firearm equivalent of a race car.
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Eh, not really.

The Glock is king in USPSA Production and IDPA SSP.

The other USPSA and IDPA divisions, NRA Conventional Pistol, Steel Challenge, Pinshooting, etc. are still ruled by assorted 1911A1 and STI/SVI variants.

To my mind, these guns are the real race cars. Expensive, high maintenance, not much use as a daily driver. The Glock is more like a Honda Civic Si that's doing autocross on the weekends...

-C
 
This was 25 years ago but the specification as I recall it was true double action you pull the trigger and a strike happens pull it again and a second strike happens. I also think the Army could care less what the BATF says. It would be interesting what would have happened if Glock would have had more time. My understanding is that Glock passed the evaluation along with Sig and Beretta but of course was not eligible for the contract. They also have competed with Sig and Beretta in several European contracts and whipped them. Austria in 82, several times since then and recently the Swiss bought them also the fed just tested for law enforcement and Glock and S&W won that.
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My memory was the Glock was not under consideration in XM9 trials because it did not meet the double action requirement.
I'm pretty sure that the BATF has classified the Glock Safe-Action as DAO...it is what qualified them for a lot of their LE contracts

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The Glock was never submitted into the XM9 trials. It wasn't even imported until 1986.
This was my error, they were invited and declined to participate. According to:

Kasler, Peter Alan: Glock: The New Wave in Combat Handguns, page 2. Paladin Press, 1992...via Wiki
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In late 1983, the United States Department of Defense inquired about the Glock pistol and received four samples of the Glock 17 for unofficial evaluation. Glock was then invited to participate in the XM9 Personal Defense Pistol Trials, but declined because the DOD specifications would require extensive retooling of production equipment and providing 35 test samples in an unrealistic time frame.
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But you need to go to the dealer to read the OBD when you get a check engine light (as with other high end cars). You can get a code reader for the Crown Vic anywhere.
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OT, but no you don't. Driveability stuff can be done with almost any generic, and scanners like Launch, Modis and Auto Ingenuity can do most of the body and accessory functions.

The British cars are the most unfriendly WRT diagnostics, followed by the Swedish stuff.
 
Cost is one thing, but if it were just cost, cops wouldn't have Glocks.

They're also reliable, pretty easy to shoot with reasonable accuracy, and light weight.

Ergonomics is not one of their strong points; it never has been. They're reasonably comfortable to hold and easy enough to control, but let's not pretend they're in the same league as, for instance, a Beretta 92, Hi-Power, or CZ 75.

They don't have particularly low recoil, due to their light weight. But due to the low bore axis, the recoil tends not to swivel the barrel up, and it feels to some like low recoil because of it.

Glocks are just an all-around good package, esp. at $150 ea. :cool:
 
1. I don't especially like Glocks, but they are good, reliable pistols, and for police, reliability is everything. The range guys don't much care about jams and misfires once in a while, but police do (and licensed gun carriers should).

2. Sometimes those police cars just look cheap, but the engines and suspension systems are a different story. Few city PDs go for the full cop package because they don't need it, but many state police do, and those cars will compete with the hot eurocars any day.

Jim
 
My brother-in-law was a LEO in Alaska some years back when his dept. was transitioning to semis from revolvers. They brought in samples of each of the models that they were interested in. They conducted torture tests on all of the guns. He said that the Glock samples were the only guns that didn't consistently jamb during the tests. He said the tests were over-whelmingly in Glocks favor. Buying anything else just wasn't even a question. Price might be a driving factor, but performance has to be a major part of the equation for police depts that use these guns every day to protect themselves and their citizen's lives. It doesn't matter how cheap a gun is, if it doesn't perform under pressure, then it isn't going to be carried. If price was the main/only deciding factor then Hi-Points would be carried by every dept. in this country, now wouldn't they?:uhoh:
 
It depends on what tests you do. Glocks will consistently jam when limp-wristed, while most other pistols won't. That may not seem important until you find yourself with a bullet through one of your arms, or shooting around an obstacle while somebody shoots at you.

I don't know of any "unreliable" factory stock guns. If a gun is kept clean and the springs are changed occasionally, they seem to run forever.
 
Now.... Why dont they have BMWS? They are fast and will obviously get the job done way quicker.
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Because BMW's are "luxury" cars. They look pretty and have tons of extra options that just aren't necessary for police work. The cars that most Dept's drive now Haul ass and are durable. Glocks are reliable and durable -that's what is needed for police work.

I've seen state troopers driving new camaros and dodge chargers -two pretty bad ass vehicles right there.
 
Ergonomics is not one of their strong points
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I disagree. Once I spent more time with a glock, I found it to be quite comfortable. Prior to that, I thought they were awful feeling and couldn't shoot one worth a patooty...but I had never ran more than 50 to 100 rounds at a time through one. To me, nothing is more comfortable in my hand than a glock 19 or a 1911.

I don't know of any "unreliable" factory stock guns. If a gun is kept clean and the springs are changed occasionally, they seem to run forever.
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I've yet to own any unreliable sidearms, so I agree.

It depends on what tests you do. Glocks will consistently jam when limp-wristed, while most other pistols won't. That may not seem important until you find yourself with a bullet through one of your arms, or shooting around an obstacle while somebody shoots at you.
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That's true, but when I run drills and actually shoot from cover in odd positions (two handed or one handed with either hand), I don't limp wrist. But I also don't shoot myself in the hand or saw off a finger beforehand...so I'll give you that one. :)

hey're reasonably comfortable to hold and easy enough to control, but let's not pretend they're in the same league as, for instance, a Beretta 92, Hi-Power, or CZ 75.
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A beretta 92? That's why I say ergonomics are completely dependent on the shooter's preference. I felt my 92 was the most awful feeling handgun in the world. I like it and I loved shooting it, but it felt rather 2x4ish to me. I'll agree with you on the CZ. It is the next "must have" on my hand gun list. I rented one and loved it. At the moment though, I'm monetarily challenged and I'm torn between other things and the CZ...like a marlin 336 in 30-30, matching 22 lever actions for my boys or that cz-75 I so desire.
 
Glocks are inexpensive because they were reverse engineed from alien technology so design costs were minimal. The different gens are just the "cracking" of different aspects of the martian weapon. Picture the movie Mars Attacks with Glocks instead of ray guns.
 
A Beretta 92?! Sorry. Ergonomics are too subjective to reach a definitive conclusion on which brand has the best. I think my Glock 17 feels much better than the 92 I owned. I will, however, agree that my CZ 75 feels better than my G17. It's also much heavier and harder to find holsters for.
 
Knowing someone in the SO's procurement department gives you interesting insights at times.

Department price on the 200 glocks was $289 for the gun with 3 mags. However the training/parts/accy package that was required to get that pricing jacked the contract price up a good bit.

Agencies have been buying crap loads of CVPIs since Ford announced they're ending production. The SO got them for $22k each unit. Go find a Ford dealer that would have sold you a CV for that price.

Disclaimer: the above is the information provided in an informal conversation and may be the result of some smoke blowing on the part of the individual concerned, take it for what you paid for it.
 
That's a terrible analogy. The Glock is the King of its class in the various gun games. That would make it the firearm equivalent of a race car.
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No, because a race car is a terrible choice for daily use. It's not efficient nor comfortable and typically requires heavy maintenance and has a ton of modifications. None of those things match a Glock.
 
Interesting thread. I don't really understand glock bashing. I don't own one, they just don't fit my hand well. But if my life depended on it and the only gun around was a glock, you bet I'd pick it up. And I am sure it would run the way it is supposed to. I have several friends with glocks and I shoot theirs from time to time. Ergonomically its not the gun for me, but I won't be thinking about ergos when the adrenaline is pumping.
 
I understand the general idea of the OP. To an extent your correct. There are better options that most of us would choose if price was not an object. The part you left out is that the pistol still needs to meet a set of criteria before it could be accepted.

I'm no Glock fan. I sold my last Glock last year, but they are dependable pistols.
 
I've been able to pick up any pistol and hit well. Just have the hands for it I suppose. I have owned , handled and fired hundreds of pistols, but I would not spend money for a GLOCK. The only reason is that long mushy trigger pull. I just hate it. I for one will stick to my 1911's.
 
I'm tired and bored with the bash Glock debate.

I want to see the BMW Police Interceptor Package before I decide.


I think the GLOCK because its all tenifer coated is probably the ONLY one you could dunk and Decontaminate w/o consequences.
 
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