.455_Hunter
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Completely situationally dependent and definitely not a blanket guideline.
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Completely situationally dependent and definitely not a blanket guideline.
Taurus calls the action on their G2c and G3s "Single action with re-strike capability." Basically, whenever you pull the trigger it is either going to move the striker rearward and release the sear or it is just going to release the sear on a striker that is already to the rear.
It seems an awful lot like a DA trigger if you're dry firing, in that, each time you pull the trigger the gun goes "click." The trigger does feel much different when firing it after the slide has been cycled.
Technically though, it is a Striker Fired Action
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/trigger-mechanisms-a-guide-to-whats-what.248556/
It seems an awful lot like a DA trigger if you're dry firing, in that, each time you pull the trigger the gun goes "click." The trigger does feel much different when firing it after the slide has been cycled.
Technically though, it is a Striker Fired Action
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/trigger-mechanisms-a-guide-to-whats-what.248556/
Homerboy
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I agree. I have 2 NYPD 3rd gen guns, a 5946 and a 3953. While I do own striker guns, it’s only because they’re lighter and smaller. I would much prefer a hammer fired gun to carry. I will always feel more comfortable putting a hammer fired gun into my waistband over any striker. And I hit just fine with them. Slightly tighter groups with a light, striker trigger, but the pros outweigh the cons, in my opinion.
CajunBass
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I think the only DAO I've got, or ever had actually, is a SCCY, CPX-2
I don't mind it at all. About like a revolver really.
I don't mind it at all. About like a revolver really.
The best shooting true DAO…2nd stirke capability…I’ve ever shot was a SIG 229 with the DAK trigger system. It really felt like a S&W K-frame. This was closely followed by the SIG 250…nice trigger but not as accurate.
My current carry striker pistol is a Kahr CW9. With it’s trigger cleaned up, it feels like a tuned S&W K-frame
My current carry striker pistol is a Kahr CW9. With it’s trigger cleaned up, it feels like a tuned S&W K-frame
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My little P250 in .45 is like a modern-day bulldog revolver. Works like a windex bottle.
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I only have one DAO semi pistol, an aluminum frame Taurus pt22. Not the most reliable gun, very ammo picky, but what I liked about it was the tip up barrel can make it double as a rather large single shot derringer that shoots .22 Short, I've even done a speed drill loading a single round into the chamber and done well as the tip up action flings the empty out almost like an ejector on a break open shotgun.
I do like the second strike ability for a .22 and find that a DA or even DAO trigger is an absolute necessity on a rimfire pistol, thus a reason I have no interest in the Ruger Marks or S&W Victory or Taurus TX22.
I do like the second strike ability for a .22 and find that a DA or even DAO trigger is an absolute necessity on a rimfire pistol, thus a reason I have no interest in the Ruger Marks or S&W Victory or Taurus TX22.
Middletown
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My main carry is a Sig P290RS, true DAO action. Been totally reliable so far. Trigger is what it is but in a situation I bought the pistol for I don't think I would notice. Last I checked they were not available new. I have heard they get a premium price on the used market. Not sure as I have not tried and no reason to sell.
FL-NC
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If that is the rule, how did anyone ever carrying a Colt SAA or similar design ever survive any surprise engagement (unless the individual with the SAA or similar handgun initiated it).
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While I understand the thought, I think that's why DA revolvers came about.
FL-NC
Double Action revolvers were an evolution of single action revolver and replaced them because they were superior. The same thing happened with rifles when breech loading single shots replaced muzzle loaders and were then replaced by repeaters which were replaced by semi-automatic and fully automatic rifles.
As time goes on, things change and usually for the better.
Jim
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I don't have a problem with DAO autos, but I don't prefer them. I like DA/SA or SA for autos.
kennedy
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not a fan of DAO, sold every one I bought including smith 4043 police trade in and a taurus 850 snubby. prefer DA/SA like my sig 226
D'zaster,
My issue weapon for about a while was a DAO H&K. It worked and lasted longer than our BERETTA 96's, but we also went to a milder recoiling ammo. Until mine broke, it worked well enough, although I never warmed up to it.
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Never saw a use for them in an auto loader. If we're going to use all this energy to eject and then reload a round, it might as well reset the trigger/ hammer/ striker for me.
RPK,
If you are not in or have never been associated with a large law enforcement organization, then you would not know why they were and probably still are needed. I saw at least 2 firearms instructors fire off guns in a "ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE" situation and these were supposed to be the service experts with firearms. Accidents can happen.
Now remember that many of the people in law enforcement today have no military background or firearms background. They have exactly 1 gun and it is the one that was issued to them. They don't compete, they don't shoot on their day off or go hunting in the fall. They shoot when they qualify and that is it.
It is a major reason behind the move back to the 9m.m. from the much vaunted .40 S&W caliber. People were simply having to much trouble qualifying.
DAO is perfect for these people as there are no safety's to engage or disengage. You never have to lower the trigger on a cocked gun. You can never accidentally engage the safety when you are trying to draw and fire as quickly as possible. You will never leave the safety engaged unintentionally after dropping the hammer.
You have a longer, but not necessarily heavier trigger. I found that I could shoot a DAO pistol just like a double action revolver, but reload much quicker and only half as often.
If you doubt it, try a really good double action only like the BERETTA 92D or 96D. They are very easy to shoot well.
If you remember who the target audience is, then they make a lot more sense than just about any other type of pistol. I think they are safer than DA/SA or SAFE ACTION pistols like the GLOCK or the traditional 1911 style single action. I base this on my own experience and from observing other officers on the range.
Jim
If you are not in or have never been associated with a large law enforcement organization, then you would not know why they were and probably still are needed. I saw at least 2 firearms instructors fire off guns in a "ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE" situation and these were supposed to be the service experts with firearms. Accidents can happen.
Now remember that many of the people in law enforcement today have no military background or firearms background. They have exactly 1 gun and it is the one that was issued to them. They don't compete, they don't shoot on their day off or go hunting in the fall. They shoot when they qualify and that is it.
It is a major reason behind the move back to the 9m.m. from the much vaunted .40 S&W caliber. People were simply having to much trouble qualifying.
DAO is perfect for these people as there are no safety's to engage or disengage. You never have to lower the trigger on a cocked gun. You can never accidentally engage the safety when you are trying to draw and fire as quickly as possible. You will never leave the safety engaged unintentionally after dropping the hammer.
You have a longer, but not necessarily heavier trigger. I found that I could shoot a DAO pistol just like a double action revolver, but reload much quicker and only half as often.
If you doubt it, try a really good double action only like the BERETTA 92D or 96D. They are very easy to shoot well.
If you remember who the target audience is, then they make a lot more sense than just about any other type of pistol. I think they are safer than DA/SA or SAFE ACTION pistols like the GLOCK or the traditional 1911 style single action. I base this on my own experience and from observing other officers on the range.
Jim
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I agree. In fact, the reasons you give here are why the Glock became a runaway best-seller in US law enforcement, in my opinion. It had all the qualities you describe, but the trigger pull was easier to shoot acceptably than a full DAO trigger. Cops who had to give up their revolvers but didn't want to learn the full conventional-double-action-automatic manual of arms loved that. And I don't fault them at all; they don't actually have to use their pistols very much, and they have a lot of other things to learn.
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I have two DAO pistols: a Kahr CM9 and a KelTec P3AT. Both are part of my CCW rotation along with two S&W J frames: a Model 649 and a Model 638, which I use primarily in DAO mode. The Kahr and the two S&Ws have very similar DA triggers that are compatible in their respective ways. The KelTec DA trigger is not nearly as refined but is still serviceable to a certain extent.
I purposely didn't buy any of those police trade in DAO pistols when they were readily available and cheap. At least with the DAO Sig 226 style guns one could covert them to DA/SA with the addition of some parts.
The only traditional DAO semi-auto pistol I own is a 380 Ruger LCP. I cant hit anything with it and it lives in my gun safe.
The only traditional DAO semi-auto pistol I own is a 380 Ruger LCP. I cant hit anything with it and it lives in my gun safe.
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That sounds a lot like Kahr's "double action."
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That's interesting, Jin. I am curious what broke and what was the estimated round count on your HK duty weapon?
If the slide doesn't cycle on a Kahr you have a dead trigger. You can dry fire the G2 all day without ever pulling the slide back.
I hate to admit it but I'm actually not sure why it isn't a DA trigger. I don't know what technicality it fails to meet. After the striker is completely at rest, pulling the trigger tensions the striker (cocks it) and releases the sear, I thought that was the definition of double action.
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