Dr office search and seizure?

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d2wing

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One of my last visits to the Dr they asked if I had any guns and were they locked up. The same thing happened to my wife today. Of course those records are no longer private but entered into a database. It seems that this is illegal search and gun registration rolled into one. I don't know if this is part of the affordable police state act, or another illegal power grab by the traitor in the White House and comrades. I refuse to answer but that may be construed as a target home as well. Beware.
 
It's fairly standard practice these days. I just don't answer. With what I do for a living they really should know the answer to that.... But if you have the money and time then by all means bring a lawsuit and see what happens.
 
My Doctor used to ask that. My response was "Do you want to go shooting or shopping for a gun? Questions about gun safety? I'd be happy to help".

Now it's just "Do you feel safe at home?" to which I respond; "I certainly do".
 
I'm on the original socialized health care system; the Military system. Kept it after I retired because the cost is so low.
 
Are you on obamacare?

Obamacare insurance doesn't exist. If someone is getting healthcare through a provision of the Affordable Care Act they either have Medicaid or private insurance. In my state the vast majority of insurance sold on the exchange is Blue Cross / Blue Shield of Alabama.

Medical records are still private even if the are kept electronically instead of in paper folders. HIPAA rules apply in either case.

Asking if you have guns in your home and if the are locked is a standard question recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics and American Academy of Family Physicians. It is an effort to reduce accidental shootings by children and reduce firearm related suicides. If you don't want to answer the question then don't answer.
 
After 10 plus years of going to the VA Health Care System for all care I have yet to be asked if I own or have any firearms in my home.

The closest I've come is discussing my eyesight and shooting, which was not a problem and my prescription was adjusted to my liking.
 
How is a medical doctor knowing that I have guns going to prevent any crimes at all?
I do not understand this practice at all?
 
Well gosh, if the American Association of Whatever needs to know, I'm all for it.

If you like your gun, you can keep your gun. Promise! ;)
 
Every year I do a physical health assessment. I haven't been asked guns yet, but they do ask questions such as how often do I wear a seatbelt or condom. Every visit to the "doctor" they ask if I feel safe at home, if there is any violence in the home, if I have nightmares due to traumatic experience. Nothing about guns, yet. I'm sure it's coming. (active duty military medical).
 
I too am on the military med insurance though I use VA for 99.9% of my care.

I have not been asked if I own any guns. I have been asked if I feel depressed or suicidal etc etc. This is by the nurse and I understand why they ask these questions. My DR has a business card that has the don't tread on me snake on it. I like my Doc even though I can't carry on VA property. I park on the street and lock up the piece.
 
I had to go get 7 stiches a few weeks ago, right across the pad of my thumb. I asked the doc if it was going to change my print, and she says yes it will. So then we started talking about fingerprints, and she says she had trouble getting fingerprinted for her CCW, her prints are too light. I said I had done the same thing. She says, do you have a CCW? I said yes, and so did she. Then she says do you have a suppressor? Not yet, but paperwork submitted, and waiting. She says, me too! At this point the nurse is looking at us like we are nuts. She tells me what she carries, and I tell her I carry a G23. She asks if I have it on me currently. (i didn't, left it locked in the truck) I paused and wondered if this was a trick question, and told her it was in the truck 'cause I wasn't sure what the reaction would be. She kinda makes this sour face, and says she just wanted to see it. Then she says I can carry in there, no problem. Then she gets really pouty and says she can't carry at work, it is a fireable offence. We talk about shooting and suppressors while she stiches me up, it was pretty cool. I think the nurse was amazed. I thought it was a pretty interesting experience, and not one I was expecting.
 
That BS started at my family medical appointments about two years ago. I tell them politely that my items of personal property are none of their business. They seem to understand.
 
Again, how does them knowing I own a gun going to MEDICALLY help a child in my home?
The DMV doesn't ask me if I bought liquor during my most recent trip to the grocery!
While that's a ridiculous analogy, the point stands for itself.
Having a gun doesn't make children sick. It could harm them, sure, but so could the steak knife in the kitchen or the hair dryer if its next to the tub while plugged in.
The doctor doesn't ask those questions so why should they ask about firearms?
I think it's a ridiculous practice.

I don't get fired up too often but this one is getting under my skin.
 
The place I was asked was the VA. 100% disabled. My wife goes to a private Dr. My understanding is that your health records go into a database to be shared by insurance companies like it always has been. The difference is it now goes into a Gov database and can be accessed by different agencies and it is already known to be not secure.
 
I haven’t had my doctor ask, but an annual health assessment from my insurance carrier has that question. It’s always an automatic NO.

As far as I’m concerned, once that information gets into a national database, it’s available to anyone with access including CDC, HHS and who knows who or what else.
 
I speculate someone is creating a "healthcare database" with one of the fields being gun-owner?: "Y/N"; nonetheless the correct answer to give to this question is "NO". It is not (yet at least) a crime to tell a lie to your doctor or other health care worker. Anything other than "NO" would be considered a "YES". So, the ones who say "I refuse to answer" or "It's none of your business" are revealing that they are gun owners.

chuck
 
My wife had surgery last summer and she was asked. She replied "no". Unless the question is asked because it has a direct relationship to your injury/illness, it shouldn't be any of their business.
 
You think hanging around gun forums talking about it might flag the covert data system?

Not to mention that if you are trained combat arms, "they" already know you know more about mayhem and destruction than the public has a clue about. 20 million or more have been thru the Armed Forces and trained on the M16 - all those fully automatic shooters are very likely to just go completely berserk at any moment now. Right?

Answering a physician's question when the military already has you fingerprinted, a DNA sample collected, and you already screened for a security clearance?

In this day and age, if you have served, you likely deployed, another security screening, "they" already know all they need to know about you.

Civilian? Never served? Got a CCW? No different from what I've experienced. All the DMV data plus a set of prints again. Is there a state that doesn't have photo ID connected to the CCW? Maybe one.

Did you buy a gun since NICS was put in place?

Type certain words into a post and the NSA will have a massive scanner search for any probability of you being part of a conspiracy. Better start looking over your shoulder, the guys in black sunglasses are following you.

It's WAY past time to worry about answering a question from your doctor. Sure, I deflect, too, plenty of reasons just the same as you, listed above. Fortunately, most of my trigger issues are normal, like, job security, the car breaking down, a rough patch with family. I don't voice ANY opinion much about politics these days, simply not worth the effort. Obsessing about the secret database of the national health care overseers and them using it to ID gun owners?

If it's finally come to your attention, the anti gunners are trying to make any unrecorded gun sale illegal. Even within a family group for a gift. They want that record for confiscation, which is a regular happening with an assigned team in states like CA. They enter homes and take guns from felons and other illicit possessors, and have been for decades. All they would have to do is simply outlaw certain features, and if you don't register them under a grandfather clause, you are now in their crosshairs.

Compare that to answering a question about gun safety in the home. Invasive, sure. Really none of their business. Pales in comparison to a SERT team on the doorstep with a no knock warrant to seize illegal weapons that were Constitutionally legal when you bought them.

It's actually not as bad as trying to build a kit car in some states. Imagine full compliance with current laws on emissions and safety standards for a recreation of a '60s era sports car sold before the invention of the PVC.

You literally have inspectors looking up your tailpipe. But a doctor asking if your ammo is locked up? Really?

You want attention, do the following: Request info around the net on making normal guns fire full auto, visit forums and post about making explosives, air your views on any number of radical websites espousing extremist views. Actually consort with people who do, i.e., get noticed by undercover BATF or other agents in association with people they are already watching. Make an effort - raise your profile enough to see if there's going to be 6 more weeks of winter, then see if someone doesn't get assigned to play whack a mole with you.

You're going to have to actually do something to be noticed, something "legitimately" illegal. Otherwise most authorities don't have the time of day to even pay attention that you are raising your profile. You are going to have to work on it a lot more than worry about deflecting a doctor's question, and that is because their are just enough criminals to fill the day of law enforcement, and then some.

If the nation really had the resources to overwatch each and every single one of us, then a killer couldn't ever make the status of being a serial killer. They would have got them a lot earlier.

(deleted because my inside contact texted me I was flagged again.)

Anyway, have a nice day.
 
I have Doctor and Dentist that ask every time I see them. They have a ulterior motive, they like to be invited to the range every time I get something new.
 
Have never been asked and have never come across it on any forms I have filled out relating to medical/personal information.
 
It's an AMA thing and the simple solution is just don't answer. It's not registration or confiscation, just background fodder for AMA health care stats. It's been goin' on for years.
 
We've been going to the same doctor for almost 17 years. He's a shooter and he knows I'm one also. We used to talk guns all the time. His clinic merged with one of the larger mega-clinics and his practice changed significantly. All of the hunting and firearms magazines disappearing was the first clue that something was off.

The first visit I had after the merger was interesting. On the way back to the exam room, the medical assistant (who is a very good friend) whispered "answer NO" to me, confusing the heck out of me. As we were going into the exam room, she was joined by a social worker supplied by the new owners. He introduced himself and immediately went into a list of questions, starting with the same "Do you have any guns in the home?"

"No"

"Are you sure? This is just statistical information. It's not going anywhere else."

"Yep. Positive."

Then it went into a bunch of other questions about alcohol and tobacco use, illegal drugs, history of violence and such. The interesting thing that I found out from the Dr. was that there were two different pieces of paper being filled out by the social worker. The one with the answers to the gun questions had my name and patient number on it. The one with all of the other questions on it didn't. I guess there were about 8 gun-related questions in all if I had answered in the affirmative.

When our Dr. came in, he said that as of that point, none of his patients had been gun owners and wasn't sure how that happened. The ironic part was that the Dr. was sporting a nice bruise and cuts on his left hand from a slide bite that had happened the weekend before. :)

Until it's under oath, the answer is "No."

Matt
 
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