Sam1911
Moderator Emeritus
Yes, actually the whole point is to avoid ANY violent encounters. We preach that situational awareness, avoidance, evasion, and social skills like de-escalation of confrontations are the far more important general skills to have than any shooting skill.The whole point to what I've been writing is, (1) Whenever possible, to try to AVOID Tueller-style confrontations and distances;
However, I'm having trouble understanding where you're going with this. You can't SHOOT someone to keep them from getting into your Tueller zone, so to speak. Most people you meet, good and bad, will be far inside of 7 yards if they're interacting with you in any way.
Again, I sort of follow you, I think, but "Tueller distance" starts at 21 feet. Most violent encounters begin far closer-in than that, and are over before anyone got out to distances where anything like traditional accuracy/marksmanship even comes into play. In other words, I have no idea how someone will "take his initial shots from farther away."(2) in CQB pistol confrontations a shooter is going to have an advantage and improve his own chances of survival IF he's a little more accurate, and able to take his initial shots from farther away than typical Tueller-to-contact distances.
This seems to fit more into the scenario you mentioned with Officer Cirillo's work -- but again, that was ambushing, not defensive shooting. A planned, coordinated attack in which HE defined the shooting situation and took his first shots on his own terms, at the distance HE was comfortable with. That doesn't have much relevance to a defensive shooting situation where a citizen would generally have no lawful justification to even draw a gun, let alone shoot someone, until the "Tueller distance" threshold is considerably passed.
Wait...what? Which ones? You've expressed general disagreement with a few things but haven't gotten very specific. What DO you teach? Can you explain some drills that you would consider relevant to street-survival defensive shooting?Frankly, though, if I were running a shooting school for the general public I might also seek to maximize school profits by running the kind of bassackwards shooting drills described in this thread.
Once you're past gun safety and basic marksmanship, what do you teach a student who comes to you for defensive shooting instruction?
This is frustrating! I think I almost understand your point, but then I just don't quite follow. What are you trying to say?I mean, let's face it: The general public can't shoot; and the school still has to turn a profit - Which is, in my opinion, where all of this Tueller-to-contact distance shooting nonsense comes from. (May I never be so desperate, or unlucky!)
The general public's ability to shoot accurately isn't actually an answer to the problem of someone attacking you at inside of 7 yards -- because you can't just line up your shots and perforate anyone who looks at you funny if they try to come inside the "Tueller distance."
Now I can't imagine that's actually what you're promoting, but if not then I'm apparently not smart enough this morning o) to follow your point.
Well, heavens! Don't leave. I think the training community needs to feed and encourage and develop each other. I'd like to better understand what you're saying.I'm out of this one, now. Everybody have a good day!