Drug dealer's guns
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ApacheCoTodd
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Nevermind... mis-post.
Todd.
Todd.
Here's a large sample size study from Chicago;
http://www.cityofchicago.org/dam/ci...ess Releases/2014/May/05.27.14TracingGuns.pdf
There's tons of articles out there about street guns;
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/11/u...ort-all-too-easily.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
Then you have Frontline and the ATF saying only 10-15% of street guns are stolen. (But that is surely different on a regional basis)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
So, it really depends on whose study you read, but regardless, the stolen guns.. they're sold cheap!
The ones that are bought at gun shows / bought through straw purchases will be higher (as with the Mexican cartel purchases I linked before).
Johnny_B_Goode
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I really doubt the drug dealer paid much at all for the guns. How many buyers do you have for a hot Glock? Then on top of the lack of buyers the drug dealers money is leveraged. He didn't pay cash for the guns. He traded drugs at street price for the guns.
According to the article, if a drug dealer steals a gun from a family member or a friend it doesn't count as a theft. . An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts. Drug dealers also get guns from crooked FFL dealers. I do not know if the laws are different in other states but here in NC an FFL has to keep a bound book. He logs every gun that comes into the shop in his bound book. Once a gun is seized in a crime or from a felons hands it shouldn't require Dick Tracy to find where the gun came from.
From the document issued by the city of Chicago. The largest out-*‐of-*‐
state sources of Chicago’s illegal guns were Indiana, Mississippi, and Wisconsin,
which supplied 19 percent, 6.7 percent, and 3.6 percent of these crime guns, respectively. None of
these states have laws that require background checks for purchasers who buy firearms at gun
shows or on the Internet.
It is a federal law if you buy a gun online or at a gun show you have to go through a background check. How does state law supersede federal law? The city of Chicago wouldn't mind telling a bald face lie to blame someone else.
According to the article, if a drug dealer steals a gun from a family member or a friend it doesn't count as a theft. . An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts. Drug dealers also get guns from crooked FFL dealers. I do not know if the laws are different in other states but here in NC an FFL has to keep a bound book. He logs every gun that comes into the shop in his bound book. Once a gun is seized in a crime or from a felons hands it shouldn't require Dick Tracy to find where the gun came from.
From the document issued by the city of Chicago. The largest out-*‐of-*‐
state sources of Chicago’s illegal guns were Indiana, Mississippi, and Wisconsin,
which supplied 19 percent, 6.7 percent, and 3.6 percent of these crime guns, respectively. None of
these states have laws that require background checks for purchasers who buy firearms at gun
shows or on the Internet.
It is a federal law if you buy a gun online or at a gun show you have to go through a background check. How does state law supersede federal law? The city of Chicago wouldn't mind telling a bald face lie to blame someone else.
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Gun Master
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Who cares how much a drug dealer pays for guns?
Or, how many guns are stolen from homes?
Even how many illegal possession guns are around?
We already have laws against drugs (and dealers), and burglary, and felonious possession of guns, etc., et al, ad infinitum........
What we do need is to enforce the laws on the books (fully), and to eliminate loopholes in the law, and see that the violators "do the time".
At every angle, in every way possible, each of us needs to see that the law works, against the perp and for the honest citizen.
Who cares how much a drug dealer pays for guns?
Or, how many guns are stolen from homes?
Even how many illegal possession guns are around?
We already have laws against drugs (and dealers), and burglary, and felonious possession of guns, etc., et al, ad infinitum........
What we do need is to enforce the laws on the books (fully), and to eliminate loopholes in the law, and see that the violators "do the time".
At every angle, in every way possible, each of us needs to see that the law works, against the perp and for the honest citizen.
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Johnny_B_Goode:
FFL holders are subject to Federal regulations, which are the same in every state.
Johnny_B_Goode:
That is NOT a federal law (Thankfully!). Background checks are required to purchase firearms FROM DEALERS at gunshows, but NOT from a non-dealer individual, unless a state's laws require it. You can purchase a firearm online from a non-dealer individual in your state and not be required to have a background check, unless your state's laws say otherwise.
FFL holders are subject to Federal regulations, which are the same in every state.
Johnny_B_Goode:
That is NOT a federal law (Thankfully!). Background checks are required to purchase firearms FROM DEALERS at gunshows, but NOT from a non-dealer individual, unless a state's laws require it. You can purchase a firearm online from a non-dealer individual in your state and not be required to have a background check, unless your state's laws say otherwise.
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At the prices charged by online sellers and the prices the reports quoted guns being sold at street level I would hardly think online sales would be an issue as no thug buyer is going to pay the over inflated online prices!
In Illinois you can buy a firearm from same state individual but the sale must be conducted face to face and, both seller and buyer must provide personal information and that information must be kept on record for ten years.
There is no requirement or law that a federal phone check need be conducted unless transfer takes place at a gun show.
CookCounty/Chicago is probably more stringent than the rest of the state, cannot transfer magazines larger than ten rounds, etc.
Like the straw purchase law that lands people in prison when they buy a gun for somebody who is completely lawful to possess/purchase guns themselves?
Or like the interstate transfer restrictions that make it a federal crime for a father to give his daughter a gun simply because they live in different states (both 100% legally able to buy and possess said firearm)?
Or the "gun show loophole" the antis keep raving on about? Because you know that as soon as you use that word, people's biases and agendas will lead to any number of PERFECTLY LEGAL activities being labeled as "loopholes" because it sounds more insidious than saying "perfectly abiding by the letter of the law"
"Enforce laws on the books" and "eliminate loopholes" comes off as a quick sound-byte answer a politician might give but it doesn't really address the problem, and strictly enforcing ALL of the laws that are on ALL of the books would really screw with a lot of "honest citizen's" lives.
Sometimes the problem really is too many laws, or overreaching laws, or laws that just plain should not be laws.
Nothing there would be illegal in the majority of states. But being a convicted felon with a restraining order he couldn't legally possess those in ANY state, including yours.
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That's a post-1989 Chinese MAK-90. (Or, Chinese Type 56S assault rifle)
Those stocks are pretty but the wood is soft and prone to cracking VERY easily.
They were cheap, reliable, and very well built - unfortunate that Bush banned Norinco products.
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Seems very anti-AK to have put something out on the street that is aesthetically nice, but operationally fickle.
Ignition Override
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Trent: How about people breaking into parked freight trains and stealing select-fire military rifles and hand grenades? Maybe they had inside tips.
An LEO was in his part-time job as security in a hotel lobby a few months ago, near the university in Lafayette LA.
He told me that this shipment was in a car trunk on a LA interstate. The very subtle ways 'certain' drivers use turn signals and change lanes
(or take the next ****) helped them spot this car.
Trained LEOs notice many trivial characteristics and patterns that few of us would catch.
An LEO was in his part-time job as security in a hotel lobby a few months ago, near the university in Lafayette LA.
He told me that this shipment was in a car trunk on a LA interstate. The very subtle ways 'certain' drivers use turn signals and change lanes
(or take the next ****) helped them spot this car.
Trained LEOs notice many trivial characteristics and patterns that few of us would catch.
Inebriated
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Well the other guns and the cash are oriented correctly, so yes, that's a lefty AR.
I knew lefties were trouble.
Also, did someone suggest death penalty for drug dealers at some point?
I knew lefties were trouble.
Also, did someone suggest death penalty for drug dealers at some point?
Phaedrus/69
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I couldn't help but notice one of the guns has a Sig arm brace- was the poor drug dealer disabled?
frankenstein406
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He was probably going to turn the one once of cocaine into crack and double his money. I suppose with the cutting agents he wouldn't need a lot of cocaine to still make a profit.
Hopefully the guns go to a rightful owner or are auctioned off.
Hopefully the guns go to a rightful owner or are auctioned off.
caribou
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I cant believe these cops can actually keep job, its possible they hurt his feelings.....accusing a man of being a"drug Dealer" in these politically correct times would certainly have him properly labeled "undocumented pharmacist" with his "Assault weapons"........
I blame society for his troubles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKIaS0lh-uo
I blame society for his troubles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKIaS0lh-uo
Good call. The guns are obviously selected/chosen and set up for a lefty. Either somebody who was left handed had a bunch of his firearms stolen in the exact manner he had them set up and the thief/buyer didn't change them OR, more likely, this drug dealer was well armed with firearms he chose that were set up the way he wanted.
Despite being a convict from NY in CT.
Gun control.
Sheepdog1968
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And this why more restrictive gun laws only punish law abiding citizens.
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